Mas Ayoob on .380 for Self Defense

[Planedude]

Not really. He was a school teacher and after recovery went back to teaching. His wife, now ex went to prison.

Ouch, tough love. Glad he made it.

I don't carry a .380 because I think it's the worlds best manstopper.
I carry a .380 because it fits the wardrope we wear when it's 113 and 80% humidity outside during a Texas summer. Nothing is not an option and no other gun fits without printing. Beats the .22LR Beretta I also have.
Pen knife in the other pocket acts as a back-up. I don't want to go to my back-up.

[Cokeman]

Ouch, tough love. Glad he made it.

I don't carry a .380 because I think it's the worlds best manstopper.
I carry a .380 because it fits the wardrope we wear when it's 113 and 80% humidity outside during a Texas summer. Nothing is not an option and no other gun fits without printing. Beats the .22LR Beretta I also have.
Pen knife in the other pocket acts as a back-up. I don't want to go to my back-up.

Geez...I do.

[Barth]

Geez...I do.

My last chance back up weapon.

[getsome]

I watched 2 back to back shows on Spike TV this weekend called Gangland Oakland about all the different gangs and turf wars in Oakland California and it was very scary to see how little respect those kids had for a human life and how quick they would kill another human being without batting an eye...

What was an eye opener to me about handgun stopping power was while on camera in a holding cell with other members of a certain gang each member showed their gunshot scars and several had been hit multiple times with .40 or .45 rounds and survived...One kid showed the hits to his lower back and he had been hit 4 times with a .40 in one shooting and 2 times in the upper sholder/chest with a .45 and lived...

We all tend to think what ever caliber of zombie max ammo we have will take anyone down with a single body hit but after watching that show it really changed my mind...As was mentioned in an earlier post even a head shot isn't a guaranteed kill shot and only a direct spinal cord sever will take someone down and out of the fight but may not cause much other damage allowing the person to live but in a wheel chair...Pistols make holes, Rifles blow chit up but any pistol is better than a sharp stick or a knife but isn't the be all end all we sometimes like to think they are...

[muggsy]

Kinda but not 100%. I have witnessed trauma surgery to a 44 mag to the head that required almost 1/4 of the brain to removed with almost zero noticable deficit.

Shot placement is important but it is not the only factor involved. I have also seen a 32 to the thigh nick the femoral and death is relatively quick. There are really NO absolutes as to what will work and when, only relatively better choices vs worse.

The guy that had 1/4 of his brain removed must have been a liberal democrat. They function on half a brain most of the time. Just sayin.

[Cokeman]

My last chance back up weapon.

Nasty.

[ScottSouth66]

I watched 2 back to back shows on Spike TV this weekend called Gangland Oakland about all the different gangs and turf wars in Oakland California and it was very scary to see how little respect those kids had for a human life and how quick they would kill another human being without batting an eye...

What was an eye opener to me about handgun stopping power was while on camera in a holding cell with other members of a certain gang each member showed their gunshot scars and several had been hit multiple times with .40 or .45 rounds and survived...One kid showed the hits to his lower back and he had been hit 4 times with a .40 in one shooting and 2 times in the upper sholder/chest with a .45 and lived...

We all tend to think what ever caliber of zombie max ammo we have will take anyone down with a single body hit but after watching that show it really changed my mind...As was mentioned in an earlier post even a head shot isn't a guaranteed kill shot and only a direct spinal cord sever will take someone down and out of the fight but may not cause much other damage allowing the person to live but in a wheel chair...Pistols make holes, Rifles blow chit up but any pistol is better than a sharp stick or a knife but isn't the be all end all we sometimes like to think they are...

Yea,I was watching the 50Cent story about the rapper that had an attempt made on his life after he went all big time,he had a car pull up and a guy shot him like 9 times point blank w a 9mm,all in the chest/abdomen,and he made it to the ER and didn't lose consciousness till hours later,and has all kind of hole scars to prove it.
Too bad you can't carry a BAR in your pocket....

[Popeye]

Of course there are better rounds out there than the .380 everybody knows that, but for close up SD when you need to deep CC I have no doubt that the .380 round will stop any agression that might come your way providing you do your part. Might not drop them in there tracks but it's sure going to inflict some pain and cause them to think things over a bit more, and if need be shoot them again. I've used the Hornaday rounds from day one in my p3at but I really don't think it's any better than any other quality round. Sounds more to me like Mas was making a plug for Hornaday.

[Barth]

I watched 2 back to back shows on Spike TV this weekend called Gangland Oakland about all the different gangs and turf wars in Oakland California and it was very scary to see how little respect those kids had for a human life and how quick they would kill another human being without batting an eye...

What was an eye opener to me about handgun stopping power was while on camera in a holding cell with other members of a certain gang each member showed their gunshot scars and several had been hit multiple times with .40 or .45 rounds and survived...One kid showed the hits to his lower back and he had been hit 4 times with a .40 in one shooting and 2 times in the upper sholder/chest with a .45 and lived...

We all tend to think what ever caliber of zombie max ammo we have will take anyone down with a single body hit but after watching that show it really changed my mind...As was mentioned in an earlier post even a head shot isn't a guaranteed kill shot and only a direct spinal cord sever will take someone down and out of the fight but may not cause much other damage allowing the person to live but in a wheel chair...Pistols make holes, Rifles blow chit up but any pistol is better than a sharp stick or a knife but isn't the be all end all we sometimes like to think they are...

The truth is most people that get shot live.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Handguns are under powered by nature.
We carry them cause we can't carry around an AR or shotgun.
No weapon is a death ray.
Anything short of a catastrophic central nervous system (CNS) hit (brain or spine)
is not guaranteed to stop a motivated attacker cold.
Even if wounds inflicted are lethal in nature,
a motivated attacker may well be able to continue to kill and maim for some time.

Shooting once and pausing to check the results can be a lethal mistake.
Keep shooting till the threat is neutralized.

[Rollin Thunder]

HST's are in all of my firearms. GD's and Ranger T's are right up there with them.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned, Cor Bon DPX for the .380's
That's one fine bullet.

[Planedude]

...Shooting once and pausing to check the results can be a lethal mistake.
Keep shooting till the threat is neutralized.

I'll share the quote from I belive Clint Smith.
"You can't just shoot till you think your perpetrator is dead. You must keep in the fight until HE thinks he's dead".

If I did'nt get that exactly right, well I'm sorry. I have known several cops including some Family LEOs. There are plenty of examples of shot up perps killing LEOs and others before dying. I have been party to several discussions on that issue and I think I understand their problem.

That said, the vast majority of situations will resolve upon the pulling of the gun. Most BG want a victim not a gunfight.
Heres to the hope that all your BGs are of that mindset.

[Longitude Zero]

Deep in my memory I recall an instructor telling a group of us that the only reason to carry a handgun is to fight your way back to the rifle you should have never laid down.

[jlottmc]

I'll share the quote from I belive Clint Smith.
"You can't just shoot till you think your perpetrator is dead. You must keep in the fight until HE thinks he's dead".

If I did'nt get that exactly right, well I'm sorry. I have known several cops including some Family LEOs. There are plenty of examples of shot up perps killing LEOs and others before dying. I have been party to several discussions on that issue and I think I understand their problem.

That said, the vast majority of situations will resolve upon the pulling of the gun. Most BG want a victim not a gunfight.
Heres to the hope that all your BGs are of that mindset.

That was John Connor. That and the post below yours, as well as Barth's are spot on.

[yqtszhj]

I've seen a .22 short used to put down a 300 pound pig. It's all about shot placement.

Yep. I was talking to a EMT at the range one day and he was saying he has seen people killed w/ a .22 and others take a .40 to the shoulder, get stitched up in the ER and go right home. It's all shot placement and number of rounds on target. I guess that means practice, practice, practice.

[Planedude]

That was John Connor. That and the post below yours, as well as Barth's are spot on.

Ahhh Yes, that was Connor, thanks for the correction. That old boy has a way with words.

Kind of blunt like a baseball bat, but a way with words none the less.