Stuck slide stop pin

[gb6491]

Greg: Your pictures show exactly what the problem is. I was wrong about the position of the tab. I thought the tab and notch must be lined up because the lever moves up and down a little but your pictures show me the half moon is actually farther to the right of the tab, almost to the end of the lever, so the tab is completely behind the slide. This is why when I pushed out the pin in the vise the pin end came out but the tab didn't budge. I can only move the slide back, moving the cutout further away.

So this is what happens when you put the pin in front of the barrel lug! I now have to figure a way to move the slide forward a little or to get the pin out in this position. Am I the only one dumb enough to have done this?

Can you move the slide back far enough to align the tab in the larger cut out? If so, the stop can be removed through it as well.
As others have mentioned, some photos of your predicament would be of help in finding a fix for it.
Regards,
Greg

[CJB]

Its like sex. If it went in, eventually its gonna come out.....


Seriuosly, you got it in there, so its gotta come back out.

[marky]

Greg, I can only move the slide back about a quarter inch. At that point the larger cutout is right over the pin but nowhere near the tab.

I could try to get some pictures of it but you'll just see the slide held back, just about at the position Greg's pictures show except the tab is under the slide to the left.

[jocko]

greg, could this guy be havig the issues that yoiu had a fix for awhile back with the cocking cam needing some TLC. Somewhere somehow like CXJB stated, that cut out or halfmon cut out HAD to be over that tyab fgor it to go all the way in..

wow would some good photos help alot also..

I am wanting to think the slide lock pin is now in front of the barrel lug instead of through it, and therefore mayber sopmething in the rear section of the frame (i. e. cocking cam) is preventing it from going back further. What about maybe a damn good tap with a 2 X 4 or rubber mallet on the front of the slide.

[yqtszhj]

I think Jocko may have it with something about the cocking cam. Humor me for a minute if you can.

I'm reading that you have a PM9. Is the muzzle of the barrel sticking out some amount in front of the slide? If it's flush read no further, I'm all wrong. If it is sticking out some amount read my thinking below.

If the barrel muzzle is outside the slide some amount I don't think that the slide lock pin is in front of the barrel lug. Here's why. I have a CM9 and it was impossible for me to get the slide lock pin in front of the barrel lug, either with or without the recoil spring inside. I tried. The barrel always stops before I could ever get it in front of the lug through the slide stop hole. I did have that issue that we had mentioned before where everything sorta got hung up and I had to pull the trigger and work the slide back and forth to get the slide off.

If it's really in front of the barrel lug I sure couldn't duplicate that with my CM9. Maybe there is some small internal difference.

With my gun apart and setting the slide beside the frame I can see where it looks like you should (although you wouldn't want to) be able to get the slide stop pin in front of the barrel lug but I could not get my barrel to go back that far. Not even close. The frame internals stopped it.

I bet we can fix it if we can see some pictures... we'll do all we can.

[JFootin]

Marky, here is a tutorial on using photobucket and posting pictures.
http://kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=95501&postcount=5

[marky]

The barrel is flush with the slide. The pin is in front of the barrel lug and this is causing the barrel to be stuck in the fully closed position in the slide. I'll try to borrow a camera.

Thanks everyone.

[yqtszhj]

The barrel is flush with the slide. The pin is in front of the barrel lug and this is causing the barrel to be stuck in the fully closed position in the slide. I'll try to borrow a camera.

Thanks everyone.

Oooo.... that's a tough one. I couldn't even get my barrel to go back that far. Is the recoil spring flush with the front of the slide or slightly inside? or is the rod sticking out the front some like when the slide locks open?

hang in there...

[gb6491]

Marky,
Have you tried manipulating the position of the breech end of the barrel to see if that will give the slide any more travel forward? If not, it should be easy enough to push down on the barrel hood, but you will probably need to insert a tool through the magazine well to push the barrel up.
Regards,
Greg

[marky]

The springs are under tension and the guide rod is sticking out about a half inch.

Greg: I tried moving the barrel breach from above and below but it's not going to move. I tried to get it to go down into the gun but the pin is holding it up to the top of the slide. When I pull the slide back I can move the barrel up and down about a hair width and I can hear it hitting the pin. It won't angle up out of the slide either since the front of the barrel is already hitting the slide and the muzzle is hitting the bottom of the slide hole.

[muggsy]

Marky, if the guide rod is protruding a 1/2" you should be able to grab the end of the guide rod with a pair of needle nosed vice grips. I think that from your description the slide release pin is between the barrel and the guide rod flange. By holding the rear of the slide in a smooth jaw vice and pulling forward on the end of the guide rod you should be able to relieve the spring tension on the slide release pin to allow it to be removed. With the tension removed you should be able to align the witness marks on the slide. If this works feel free to donate $5 to my benevolent fund for wayward women. If it doesn't take two asprin and send the gun back to the mother-ship.

[Scoundrel]

[marky]

muggsy: Well I thought you might have had something there. Maybe with the spring pressure off of it the barrel would move. But no, no luck. The barrel doesn't budge.

I think this boils down to the fact that the pin has the barrel locked in place (as Jay says) and there may be no way to get it to move with the pin in. Maybe Jay has a special tool or something.

I guess if I want to take a chance I could press the pin out again and then wedge something between the pin and the lever end. Hopefully the tab would pop out or bend before the slide was harmed but that might not be worth the gamble.

Thanks for your idea and a good laugh. Can I get two wayward women for $10?

Thanks!

[muggsy]

Damn, I thought I had it. I took my CM9 apart and lined up the pieces just as you described. Well, back to the drawing board. BTW, you didn't have to force it together, so you shouldn't have to force it apart. Where there's a will there's a way. Do you own a BFH?

[muggsy]

Ok Marky, lets give this one more try. Have you tried to push down on the back of the barrel to disengage it from the slide. If you can, you should be able to move the slice back until the slide stop notch aligns with the slide release and you should be able to push the slide release pin out. Of course, for making me think this hard the benevolent fund must be replenished. This could require a $20 dollar donation.

Note If the slide stop pin is forward of the kidney shaped hole you should be able to disengage the barrel from the slide.