Who knew?

[beatlesfan]

I was doing my neighbor's brakes for him today and we got to talking about guns. He works in IT and I always thought he had no interest in guns at all. He said he had one and I asked him what he had. I was thinking hi point, maybe glock. He said a Kahr K40! He then went onto explain to me that Kahr makes small weapons for concealment. Told him I have a Kahr as well so I know.

He isn't a member here, but it was very cool. I'll have to hang out with him more.

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[muggsy]

Beatlesfan, you to sound like a nice guy, so allow me to offer you a few words of advice. Never offer to do anyone's brakes for them. If you tune up a car and it won't start it's an inconvenience. If you do a brake job and the car won't stop it's a lawsuit. A very good friend of mine lost almost everything he owned in a similar circumstance. We live in a very litigious society.

[Bawanna]

And while he's sueing you have him sign up and join us if he's a nice guy ya know?

I'm a firm believer of no good deed goes unpunished but I never seem to learn to apply it. In todays litigous state it's no wonder people just walk by when somebody is getting the snot beat out of them rather than helping them.

Not me, I'm in there myself. Ain't been sued yet but my day is a coming I'm sure.

[beatlesfan]

Guys, I didn't even THINK about this happening...Thanks for pointing it out to me. Looks like I'm done changing brakes for anyone but myself. Bawanna, I've got a new book I think you should check out. It's called "One Second After" by William R. Fortsche. It about an EMP attack on the USA and the survival of a family. I'm a few chapters into it and it's damned good. I'll email it out to you right now.

[jocko]

for me, I would hate to think one incident involving some one helping out with a brake job and ending up in lititagation, that it should end all good deeds. anyone can sue, collecting and winning is a different thing. Now if one knows jack sh!t about doing a repair then we are not talking apples and apples either, but again to cite maybe one or two incidents and then the millions of peole who have helped with a brake job, or any good neighbor deed, makes no sense to me.

Hell one could sue kahr for sumptin if they get some silly ass lawyer to takie the case, The publicity might make it seem like kahr did a bad thing etc, but again suing and winning is two different endings. ust my two cents.

[beatlesfan]

You're right jocko, but why take the risk? I'll still do his oil and trans for him, but I don't think I'll be touching his brakes again. I know what I'm doing, but why risk it.

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[7shot]

You're right jocko, but why take the risk? I'll still do his oil and trans for him, but I don't think I'll be touching his brakes again. I know what I'm doing, but why risk it.

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But what if you didn't get the oil plug fitted back on correctly and he lost oil pressure and somehow the car crashed killing all on board? Would you then be liable too? Just sayin...

[beatlesfan]

But what if you didn't get the oil plug fitted back on correctly and he lost oil pressure and somehow the car crashed killing all on board? Would you then be liable too? Just sayin...

You can "what if" any situation. What if Winchester loads a round too hot and my gun blows up and I lose a hand? Granted, they have more lawyers than I do, but really the chances of me screwing up a simple fluid change are pretty small. I'm willing to take that risk in order to help a friend. The brakes, however, are a bit different. I didn't really think about it, but his life really does ride on those. Not so much the oil and trans fluid. "What if" you're helping an old lady across the street and she gets nailed by a car? Is that your fault? If you go through life never helping anyone with anything for fear of being sued, you'll be pretty bitter and lonely the whole time.

[Bawanna]

You probably do a better job than the kids at the mechanics shop now days anyhow. Parts changers.

I got a great Firestone brake job story for someday. Back when they had tire stores, not sure they are around anymore, don't see em around here.

[beatlesfan]

You probably do a better job than the kids at the mechanics shop now days anyhow. Parts changers.

I got a great Firestone brake job story for someday. Back when they had tire stores, not sure they are around anymore, don't see em around here.

If you'd like, you can share that story here. I don't see why this thread can't turn into a car repair horror story thread.

[Bawanna]

It'll regurgitate past nightmares but here it is in brief.

I had a 77 Ford 3/4 ton 4x4. It needed brakes. I did the front myself and went to tackle the rear and with the full floating rear end and all decided it was too much for me.

So I took it to Firestone. When I did the front myself I took the rotors to them and had them turned. New pads on turned rotors. Made good sense.

Told them what I'd done and that it pulsed real bad, look at what I done since I obviously did something wrong, and then do the rear.

I go to pick it up and it's parked on a slight hill and the park brake is all the way to the floor. I went back inside and explained that they didn't adjust the park brake as it wasn't engaging.

The manager told me that the new vehicles (at that time) didn't work like that. I learned in drivers ed to use the park brake to slow down if there's a brake failure. He said that didn't apply. I left and it about threw me through the windshield whenever I hit the brakes. It was horrible.

So I found a frame and axle shop close to where I worked. Took it there and had them look. Firestone had cut the front rotors so badly that they were ruined, had to buy new. The rear drum shoes were never touching the drums, they would have lasted forever which also made the bad front rotors feel even worse.

I ended up writing to Firestone headquarters and since I didn't even want to look at the manager again they had the assistant manager work with me. Ended up paying for half of the frame and axle shops bill. Should have had them pay the whole thing and they probably would have but I wasn't greedy.

So sometimes even the supposed pro's ain't worth squat, just saying.

[beatlesfan]

It'll regurgitate past nightmares but here it is in brief.

I had a 77 Ford 3/4 ton 4x4. It needed brakes. I did the front myself and went to tackle the rear and with the full floating rear end and all decided it was too much for me.

So I took it to Firestone. When I did the front myself I took the rotors to them and had them turned. New pads on turned rotors. Made good sense.

Told them what I'd done and that it pulsed real bad, look at what I done since I obviously did something wrong, and then do the rear.

I go to pick it up and it's parked on a slight hill and the park brake is all the way to the floor. I went back inside and explained that they didn't adjust the park brake as it wasn't engaging.

The manager told me that the new vehicles (at that time) didn't work like that. I learned in drivers ed to use the park brake to slow down if there's a brake failure. He said that didn't apply. I left and it about threw me through the windshield whenever I hit the brakes. It was horrible.

So I found a frame and axle shop close to where I worked. Took it there and had them look. Firestone had cut the front rotors so badly that they were ruined, had to buy new. The rear drum shoes were never touching the drums, they would have lasted forever which also made the bad front rotors feel even worse.

I ended up writing to Firestone headquarters and since I didn't even want to look at the manager again they had the assistant manager work with me. Ended up paying for half of the frame and axle shops bill. Should have had them pay the whole thing and they probably would have but I wasn't greedy.

So sometimes even the supposed pro's ain't worth squat, just saying.

Well I'm glad it didn't kill ya. I hate letting other people touch my car, especially when it comes to brakes/tires/wheels. That's what your safety counts on. I drive very hard both on the street and at the track, so anyone working on my car gets watched like a hawk.

[yqtszhj]

So sometimes even the supposed pro's ain't worth squat, just saying.

That's a statement worth quoting. The wife tells me all the time that I'm a control freak and that I should let people do their job (that I'm paying them to do) because they should know how to do it.

I told her you're right, they SHOULD, but they DON"T!

She's learning though, and becoming just like me. Just asker her if the current President knows how to do his job.

[beatlesfan]

That's a statement worth quoting. The wife tells me all the time that I'm a control freak and that I should let people do their job (that I'm paying them to do) because they should know how to do it.

I told her you're right, they SHOULD, but they DON"T!

She's learning though, and becoming just like me. Just asker her if the current President knows how to do his job.

A buddy of mine got his tires changed at a nationwide wheel/tire shop. He left, and as he made a turn at the light, a wheel fell off. They didn't put the lug buts back on. They ended up paying, in full, for repairs on his rotors and suspension. So you're right, even the alleged pros screw up.

[MO_Soldier]

Damn...reminds me to check MY lug butts XD