Just heard it's over

[jocko]

well said.

[ltxi]

Really wish I'd been outside chance wrong, but I've been telling you guys this was gonna happen. Went past probable to dead certain a month or two back. You oughta see my few months ago bills for ammunition and crime scene tape.

[judd]

Four more years of "The Oval Bastard." Good news is when the gas prices skyrocket...I'll have a little more leverage in talking the wifey into a motorcycle.

[melissa5]

Thats it folks in a nut shell...Its not the Republicans or Romney's fault, it's the degradation of Americas morals and principals that will be the end of the Republicans so long as they stick to their fundamental old school ideas of By God whats right and wrong....The death bell of America has began to toll...

I need an applause emoticon. Amen Sister!

[Brent]

I must admit that I am very thankful for how open this forum is to discussing politics and such. I got banned from one gun forum that I've been in good standing on since 2006. They do not allow any discussions relating to politics or religion. I'm Christain and not ashamed of it. I don't expect everyone to believe the same as I and I respect others rights to their own viewpoint. Agreeing to disagree is no problem for me as I believe each person will give account for themselves one day.

My religious beliefs and Mitt Romney's conflict in many ways, but I still believe he was the best man for the job. I hate that he lost, but even worse is the fact that our country, or those who make it up, have elected to put "O" in charge of it. I think it reveals a very "loose" society that has resulted from a lack of moral or religious guidelines. Nobody wants to be told what is right or wrong and each wants to do what is right in their own eyes. The statement has been made that you cannot legislate morality, but we have seen immorality openly accepted and even displayed by former president Bill Clinton who was a major promoter of this president.

I see two choices facing us in upcoming presidential elections in order for Republicans to gain the votes they need for a win. One is that there will be a change in the people's hearts where they will turn back to our former more conservative views. The other is that we would see a change in the Republican party where they are leaning more towards the moderate side and drop some of their strong moral convictions in order to gain votes. I pray that God will move in the hearts of people and bring about a revival in our country. As a Christian, I believe that is the only hope we have of becoming the great nation we were once again. One nation under God.......

[yqtszhj]

I must admit that I am very thankful for how open this forum is to discussing politics and such.

My thoughts exactly. Real first and second amendment forum (as long as we are all respectful). Thanks to Bawanna and John for their patients with those of us that get frustrated and just need to vent.

[chrish]

I am starting to wonder if the present Electoral College system is obsolete now....As I understand it the FF decided it was a way to keep just one state from deciding the election but thats exactly what I was seeing last night...There were 3 times more red states than blue so how can just a few states like Ohio, Virginia and Florida decide the whole shebang and shouldn't the popular vote still count for something???....

It seems to me that since the population is very wide spread now and nothing like the late 1700's and with electronic voting why wouldn't it be better and more fair to go back to 1 person 1 vote so that everyones vote would really mean something...What do ya'll think?

That was the least of the reasons (geography) for the electoral college, it's an argument they use to get the masses to think 'oh yea, that makes sense, lets kill it'.

Point of it is to stop popular factions from oppressing the minority. Give a quick read to Madison's position on it and it'll make more sense. The Electoral College is not only necessary, it's critical to the survival of a federal system. Democracy, popular vote, is dangerous on a large scale.

[chrish]

In the end, Obama has done nothing yet to be afraid of, and the Brady Bunch gave him an F. They think he is horrible for gun control.

It hasn't even been 24 hours since he won and his administration is already pushing for the next round of debate and refactoring of the UN Arms Treaty. Really?

His administration is the one RESPONSIBLE for the meat of what went on with the Fast and Furious crap. W started it, correctly designed, w/o letting the arms out of sight. Catch them here, with the weapons. O's administration said send them back across the border w/ them. Really?

He needed the lib gun owners to vote for him, wait and see what's next. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a polymer frame and you guys can call me Klinger.

[Chief Joseph]

It hasn't even been 24 hours since he won and his administration is already pushing for the next round of debate and refactoring of the UN Arms Treaty. Really?

His administration is the one RESPONSIBLE for the meat of what went on with the Fast and Furious crap. W started it, correctly designed, w/o letting the arms out of sight. Catch them here, with the weapons. O's administration said send them back across the border w/ them. Really?

He needed the lib gun owners to vote for him, wait and see what's next. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a polymer frame and you guys can call me Klinger.

I've got a feeling the liberal gun owners that support nobama will happily turn over their guns and sacrifice the 2nd Amendment. It's their collective duty to follow the one wherever he leads.

[chrish]

Ok,

I'll buy into the theory that Mr. Romney wasn't the candidate we needed.

Tell me who would meet the criteria and also would appeal to the full mainstream of this country? And be electable?

Who's on deck for 2016?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Potentially, Rand Paul. That'd be my choice.

The GOP is going to have to accept the fact that the conservative demographic has changed. It's not longer full of people w/ a moral compass and a lick of sense. There are liberty conservatives that are basically Libertarians that don't want to be part of a failure of a third party (Libertarian Party) and they are sticking in the GOP to have a chance to be on the winning team. Typical kids. But it is what it is.

If the GOP wants to win, they are going to have to give up on the drug legalization, gay thing, marriage argument, and potentially abortion. I for one will not give in to the abortion issue. If you want to shack up w/ your same sex partner or marry them, fine, leave me and the government out of your deviant behavior. If you want to smoke pot, fine, as long as we stiffen the laws so that when you accidentally kill some one under the influence, you get the death penalty or locked up for life, fine, smoke 'em if you got 'em (that goes for alcohol too, we are too lenient on that). BUT...want to kill babies, not under my watch, I will continue to fight that one in spite of Libertarian and socially liberal amoral people.

This is why I fit nowhere in this world anymore. There IS NO party for me.

[OldLincoln]

That was the least of the reasons (geography) for the electoral college, it's an argument they use to get the masses to think 'oh yea, that makes sense, lets kill it'.

Point of it is to stop popular factions from oppressing the minority. Give a quick read to Madison's position on it and it'll make more sense. The Electoral College is not only necessary, it's critical to the survival of a federal system. Democracy, popular vote, is dangerous on a large scale.

Thank you for getting it!!!! Seems like less than 2 out of 100 I talk with even understand what the Electoral College is, why it exists, and why it's critical to keep it, and I'll add restore the states rights it was intended to protect. I'm talking about college graduates, old, young, all incomes, etc.

I heard an analysis by a Democratic somebody tonight regarding facts I think I knew but hadn't put together this time. The black vote was 90% Obama, the Latino and Oriental were also over 50%, and that population is growing every year. Also women vote over 50% Democrat.

If the Republicans cannot come up with a platform to win over those populations we may not live to see another Republican in the White House except to visit. Think about it. This year Romney ran on Obama's failed record, tossed in the Libia thing to show lack of leadership and disconnect from duty. He cited videos of Obama's broken promises and failures. Obama ran on speeches saying Romney wants to take away your Medicare and generally hurt you in many ways. He did this without offering true evidence, only false accusations but they bought it all.

I spoke with my liberal neighbor today (a nice guy) and he quoted much of the stuff he was told as a liberal believing every word. I mentioned the Electoral College and he immediately said he is against that. I asked why and he stammered a bit then I asked if he understood it's purpose. He honestly had not a single clue. I told him if not for that only 6 cities in the country would decide presidential elections. He thought that would be a good thing but couldn't explain why. I talked about being a country of states united holding most of the functions now usurped by the federal government. He said he needs to read up on that stuff.

Now my neighbor is not stupid. He is engaged in a business partnership with his brother for over 20 years and is responsible and intelligent in the areas he is concerned about. He just never learned this stuff and doesn't care. Sounds just like the TV thing with the guy on the street asking how many Senators do we have, and simple questions that most should know.

Okay, I've got to knock this stuff off. Sorry for getting carried away.... again.

[mr surveyor]

very few people have any idea what they wish for by elimination of the electoral college....tyrany of a pumped up majority. The EC is an integral part of our system of "representative republic" (NOT a democracy)

Even though my son, and his children, was (are) educated in the public school system.... they were/are also home schooled. That's the only way to assure they get a good foundation. Our educational system is training mind numbed robots with teachers that are for the most part mind numbed robots. I'm afraid we've lost an entire generation... and America will pay dearly for many years to come.

(no offense intended to the 5-10% of good teachers out there)


surv

[chrish]

OldLinclon and mr_surveyor, you guys rock! thanks for backing me on the EC. Yes, almost nobody gets it, 2 in 100 on a good day. It's too bad that even people that take a few minutes to read the Constitution have never read the reasons behind it's design. Everyone should be required to read the Federalist Papers. My 9 year old is reading them with me for the first time (modern English version), me for the umpteenth time. Good stuff.

You either believe or you do not. Half of the country does not anymore, even if you explain it to them. A good portion of the other half is oblivious to the real reason and genius behind our Constitution. Recipe for disaster.

[JFootin]

That was the least of the reasons (geography) for the electoral college, it's an argument they use to get the masses to think 'oh yea, that makes sense, lets kill it'.

Point of it is to stop popular factions from oppressing the minority. Give a quick read to Madison's position on it and it'll make more sense. The Electoral College is not only necessary, it's critical to the survival of a federal system. Democracy, popular vote, is dangerous on a large scale.

If the electoral college was dissolved, every election would turn out this way. In that case, just count the votes on the West and East coasts and forget the rest of the country.

[JFootin]

Originally, the president was not chosen by popular vote at all. Trusted, elected state leaders did the voting. Of course, where would we find trustable state leaders nowadays?