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  • #16
    Great article on the Judge.
    Now, if a longer barrel is better for velocity would the 6.5" Taurus be better for a home SHTF gun?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by 7shot View Post
      Seems I read somewhere that the .410 Judge round was not very accurate. The BB count on targets was low. I don't remember the distance of the targets though.
      The BB count is LOW to start with, who were these people, what were they expecting?

      Let me give my take. I LIKE THE JUDGE and I aint even shot one.

      I like the idea of it and wish they had one in 20 guage...

      The 410 shells wont be effective for much range at all. BUT up close it would be pretty devastatin in my mind.

      SO if I was a Cabby I might have a judge.

      I do not like the looks, they cylinder just does not look right. On a rifle YEAH BUDDY but not in a handgun.

      I'd have to handload some brass shells. I can handle that part but wonder about using reloads for self defence. Am I gonna use low flash powder and not leave powder burns? Or am I gonna burn his face 15 feet away..

      I carry a small revolver or a Kahr K9. They will do the same job and better at range by far.

      I suppose poppin targets with a 45colt at 100 yards is fun tho. Someone I know of did that with lots of witnesseses.

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      • #18
        In looking at the issue of 2 1/2 vs. 3 in shells of the .410 type I see alot of over thinking.
        Example, the standard Winchester AA .410 skeet shell is 1/2oz of #8 shot at 1300fps (from a 26in bbl).
        1/2oz of shot is 218grns and out of a 3in bbl Judge expect 950 to 1150 fps. Compairs pretty well to your 115grn 9mm loading in a CM9...
        Dedicated SD rounds for these .410 bore revolver will no doubt be better in terms of muzzle flash and they are impressive on paper targets (I cut my Zombie-Osama target clean in two with five rounds of PDX ammo...) not sure they would stop a meth-hopped-stalker intent on harming you at 2am, but it will send a regular BG on his way, no problem.
        A 3in shell... not alot more bang for the same buck, but if you need more stopping power than a 2 1/2 shell, load some 45colt up in it's place.
        I was once asked if I was "a paranoid for carrying my Kahr".
        "Nope" I said, "just prepared".
        " prepared for what" he asked?
        "more stuff than you are"
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        • #19
          I've never carried a Judge, but I've kept a lawyer on retainer.
          Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

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          • #20
            but

            Originally posted by Planedude View Post
            In looking at the issue of 2 1/2 vs. 3 in shells of the .410 type I see alot of over thinking.
            Example, the standard Winchester AA .410 skeet shell is 1/2oz of #8 shot at 1300fps (from a 26in bbl).
            1/2oz of shot is 218grns and out of a 3in bbl Judge expect 950 to 1150 fps. Compairs pretty well to your 115grn 9mm loading in a CM9...
            Dedicated SD rounds for these .410 bore revolver will no doubt be better in terms of muzzle flash and they are impressive on paper targets (I cut my Zombie-Osama target clean in two with five rounds of PDX ammo...) not sure they would stop a meth-hopped-stalker intent on harming you at 2am, but it will send a regular BG on his way, no problem.
            A 3in shell... not alot more bang for the same buck, but if you need more stopping power than a 2 1/2 shell, load some 45colt up in it's place.
            I have been told tha tu can shoot the 2.5" out of the 3" version. Is this true or not. unever ead one way or the utter. If so,my thoughts are I have more choices.. I would think with a 2.5" in a 3" chambert that the freebore might come into play here and that could be an issue, but again if the 45 long colt canfly out of the 3" chamber then maybe I am just full of it-=- as usual..Kinda beat u to it didn't I Bawanna) Just sayin
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            • #21
              I have the 2.5" Public Defender Judge. I like it. I keep it in my car as a "door gun", and also in the house for home protection. I've not once had a misfire. I've shot bird shot, 45 LC, and the self defense rounds with 000 buck and the little discs.
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              • #22
                No there are just to many better options for SD . If it works for you then go for it.
                I've had people try to convince me a 20 Ga with #3 buck shot from a Mossberg crusier is not good for home defense so I can't imagine 410 being better.
                To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.


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                • #23
                  How about a Bond Arms?

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                  • #24
                    I have a friend who had a bond arms derringer, Just to have something different. He's like that sometimes. He shot about a dozen rounds out of it and traded it in for something else. I shot it and thought it was a total waste of money. As we used to say in the early 70's different strokes for different folks.
                    To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.


                    SHOOT STRAIGHT, RIDE SAFE

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                    • #25
                      oh hell they still say that today Popeye. we kinda say here, j"whatever bend syour crank", but the same thing.
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                      • #26
                        I tried one at the range. It is heavy and big. It's a blast to shoot. I was using birdshot in it, thats all they had. It's REAL GOOD at 3 yards ok at 5 yards after that it really spreads out.

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                        • #27
                          I still thinkit is an ideal home gun,problaby not a good carry gun..
                          . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                          • #28
                            I carry one in the pickup , and it goes on my belt with .410s when fixing fence , working on equipment grown under in weeds , ect.. to dispatch rattlesnakes . Other than that it gets used as a .45 colt to humanely kill the occasional cow or horse that steps in a prairie dog hole and breaks a leg . All and all its not a bad pistol , but since the .410 is only slightly better than no gun at all , and i have better formfactor pistols for defense mine at least will never get used in that role . Honestly i would carry a ruger .22 auto pistol for defense long before i carried a judge loaded with .410.

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                            • #29
                              Thanks everyone,,, think I will just stick with my good ol cw45..
                              I don't care if I fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting.

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                              • #30
                                410

                                Originally posted by redneckrepairs View Post
                                I carry one in the pickup , and it goes on my belt with .410s when fixing fence , working on equipment grown under in weeds , ect.. to dispatch rattlesnakes . Other than that it gets used as a .45 colt to humanely kill the occasional cow or horse that steps in a prairie dog hole and breaks a leg . All and all its not a bad pistol , but since the .410 is only slightly better than no gun at all , and i have better formfactor pistols for defense mine at least will never get used in that role . Honestly i would carry a ruger .22 auto pistol for defense long before i carried a judge loaded with .410.
                                what??? 9 shot, 6 shot. 00buck,, slug?? there is a difference u know..
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