No Chinesse ammo for me

[muggsy]

I'd transfer that picture from my e-mail to this Forum if I had any idea how to do it. I'd like to have some expert opinions as to what really happened since I also have a 629. I can Forward to another e-mail but that's about the limit of my computer expertise. Someone is always saying to cut and paste something but I have no idea what that means or how to do it or when to do it.

What you probably have there Allen is a gun blown up by a careless hand loader who double charged a case, or a hand loader who was pushing the limits of pressure trying to gain more velocity. Not all that rare an occurrence.

[Longitude Zero]

ChiComm ammo is crap even though the story is false. There are some things and depths that an American citizen should not stoop to no matter what.

Sadly I and others have to buy many itmes from Chinese manufacturers. Ammo is one I avoid as it is totally owned and operated by the ChiComm Military. So to those that buy ChiComm ammo how do you feel about handing over your money to those that would destroy us?

What price salvation?

[downtownv]

ChiComm ammo is crap even though the story is false. There are some things and depths that an American citizen should not stoop to no matter what.

Sadly I and others have to buy many itmes from Chinese manufacturers. Ammo is one I avoid as it is totally owned and operated by the ChiComm Military. So to those that buy ChiComm ammo how do you feel about handing over your money to those that would destroy us?

What price salvation?

And the eastern Bloc Ruskie stuff is crapola too!:7:

[Longitude Zero]

And the eastern Bloc Ruskie stuff is crapola too!:7:

Agreed.

[les strat]

Isn't PMC Chinese? It is considered pretty good ammo.

[Allen]

send me a pm and we can exchange emails...

Done.

[dkmatthews]

Isn't PMC Chinese? It is considered pretty good ammo.

No, PMC is made in South Korea. It is absolutely good ammo. It's my first choice for commercially made handgun ammo.

[Longitude Zero]

No, PMC is made in South Korea. It is absolutely good ammo. It's my first choice for commercially made handgun ammo.

I am glad it works for you. I have seen more failures with it in my guns than all others combined. I know several LGS that only order it and won't stock it.

[dkmatthews]

I am glad it works for you. I have seen more failures with it in my guns than all others combined. I know several LGS that only order it and won't stock it.

I am glad it works for me, too -- but let me be very specific. I prefer PMC Bronze in .40S&W to any other commercially made ammo. I am relatively new to shooting 9mm and .45ACP, so I can't comment about any brand of commercial ammo in those calibers.

The only memorable commercial handgun ammo issues I have had were in .380, and that was with Independence brand ammo when shooting a DiamondBack 380 (worst pistol I ever owned).

[MW surveyor]

No, PMC is made in South Korea. It is absolutely good ammo. It's my first choice for commercially made handgun ammo.

PMC works for me too.

Don't buy that off brand stuff made in North Korea. It's a bit anemic.

[Barth]

US makes some of the best ammo in the world

I only use quality brass domestic ammo in my handguns.
So when I bought my Commemorative FU Obummer Bulgarian AK.
I made sure to get one chambered in 5.56/.223.

[les strat]

No, PMC is made in South Korea. It is absolutely good ammo. It's my first choice for commercially made handgun ammo.

My bad. I have never had a bad round with it when I have used it.

The PMC "green" 44 mag for my 629 was the cleanest ammo I have ever shot in... in any weapon. You know how much I hate cleaning raccoon eyes off a cylinder??? :59:

[CJB]

Ok lets debunk a bit... These are the pictures I was sent by the OP.

Obviously, a blown cylinder. Ok, thats established.
There is no evidence of Chinese ammo used. The cases have good solid heads. There may be Chinese ammo... but we just have no evidence.

The inside of the "blown" ammo, is very clean. The chamber with no dislodged projectile shows speckling in the case. This is what powder does when burnt under no pressure. Put some in a glass ashtray and ignite it to see the effect. There is some evidence there, not a lot. The back of the dislodged projectile is very clean. And, of course, there is a dislodged projectile itself.

So what do we have here? I'd say, we have an overload on the cylinder that was fired, and thats all. We know, from cylinder rotation, that this was the first round fired - simply because the previously fired cylinder would be the one with the projectile still more or less in place. The adjacent rounds did not "go off" but were blown apart, and may have ignited powder. The part that hit the shooter was probably not the gun, but a piece of top strap or cylinder. Why? With a blown cylinder, there is not much recoil, as there is not much velocity. It is possible that the "fired" projectile is still within the barrel, as gas pressure behind it was nil because of the cylinder failure. Longer barrels support that event happening.

The name on the yellow form appears to be Lawton Turner (its last, first). There is a Lawton Turner in Oklahoma. Google reveals no connection, that I could easily find, of that name and a blown stainless .44 revolver or any firearm accident. The form is unknown to me, but says something about a Case #. I have no clue there, but it may be an informal range accident form, based on the three places to fill in names.

Any further thoughts? I'm open to all suggestions.

[muggsy]

+1 Exactly, I concur.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/blowups.htm

[CJB]

This could be the first case of "Chinese" blowup I've heard about. Its the only one I remember.

In my range clerk days, I was firsthand witness to a few failures. Saw a Super Blackhawk blow up. It did nothing to the shooter, but severely damaged the hand of the shooter in the next lane over.

Saw a 1911 blow up with the "gunsmiths" reloads. He swore it wasn't his fault, but... it was an obvious over pressure, as the cylinder was bulged out of the ejection port, and the barrel was split for about an inch in front of the chamber. He got that barrel out of the gun somehow... combination of milling machine and dremel work I think, and went on to blow up yet another barrel in the same gun, which this time totally destroyed it.

Saw numerous goose-egg barrels from squib loads being hit by the next round. I can see it on a revolver... but on automatics? Should be warning sign - as in, why didn't the case eject?

And, also witnessed more than my share of AD's with injury (one was a nice 'vette convertible!) and two self inflicted ID's which put a permanent end to the shooter... but all thats for another thread.