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  • The Pres Proposals??

    So here they are. The 3 in bold are the ones everyone is up in arms about. What about the rest of them?

    Proposed Congressional Actions
    1. Requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales, including those by private sellers that currently are exempt.
    2. Reinstating and strengthening the ban on assault weapons that was in place from 1994 to 2004.
    3. Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.
    4. Banning the possession of armor-piercing bullets by anyone other than members of the military and law enforcement.
    5. Increasing criminal penalties for "straw purchasers," people who pass the required background check to buy a gun on behalf of someone else.
    6. Acting on a $4 billion administration proposal to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street.
    7. Confirming President Obama's nominee for director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
    8. Eliminating a restriction that requires the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to allow the importation of weapons that are more than 50 years old.
    9. Financing programs to train more police officers, first responders and school officials on how to respond to active armed attacks.
    10. Provide additional $20 million to help expand the a system that tracks violent deaths across the nation from 18 states to 50 states.
    11. Providing $30 million in grants to states to help schools develop emergency response plans.
    12. Providing financing to expand mental health programs for young people.

  • #2
    In my mind a few more would be in bold. Particularly the first one.
    "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
    (J.R.R.Tolkien, The Two Towers)

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    • #3
      Those three are obviously the worst, especially 2 and 3, and possibly 4, depending on their definition of "armor piercing".

      To me, 8 is just stupid....I don't understand why they're concerned with old weapons, other than just more anti-gun in general crap. The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MikeyKahr View Post
        In my mind a few more would be in bold. Particularly the first one.
        Why is that? Just curious...

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        • #5
          Number one is bad because amounts to defacto registration. Registration has always led to confiscation. If every purchaser has to go through a background check they know everyone who has purchased a gun.
          Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JustinN View Post
            Those three are obviously the worst, especially 2 and 3, and possibly 4, depending on their definition of "armor piercing".

            To me, 8 is just stupid....I don't understand why they're concerned with old weapons, other than just more anti-gun in general crap. The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!

            Yep. I don't really see how a 50 year old gun has an effect on reducing gun violence. Seems pretty stoopid.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by muggsy View Post
              Number one is bad because it's defacto registration. Registration has always led to confiscation. If every purchaser has to go through a background check they know everyone who has purchased a gun.
              Interesting...

              I have a gun that is pre-background check. How would they know about it unless I sell it? They won't.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gangplank View Post
                Interesting...

                I have a gun that is pre-background check. How would they know about it unless I sell it? They won't.
                They won't know about what you have now, but they will know if you buy in the future.
                Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

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                • #9
                  What muggsy said. First step to a lot of other steps.
                  "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
                  (J.R.R.Tolkien, The Two Towers)

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                  • #10
                    It's all peace and love. Obama did it for the children.
                    Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JustinN View Post
                      The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!
                      When is the general public going to realize that debt isn't something this president even worries about. He's never had to balance a budget, a checkbook or worry where the mortgage payment is going to come from. There will always be someone to bail him out. It's someone else's money, so why worry?
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                      --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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                      • #12
                        Doctors can ask whatever they want, but our answer isn't a sworn affidavit. Yes, we can lie to the doctor. So what?

                        Government lies to us all the time, it's only fair.

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                        • #13
                          Here is the problem with all these new laws to stop gun violence...Law abiding gun owners 99.99999999% of the time don't get involved in criminal shootings....Here is a prime example of those who do:

                          Meet Johnquavious Hood, He has been in prison the last 3 years for an armed robery of the Standard Bar & Grill in SW Atlanta where the night manager John Henderson was shot and killed by Johnquavious and his fellow gangbanger Jonathan Redding who is now serving life with no parole for the robbery and murder....Not sure how Johnquavious got away with only a 3 year sentence but thats the way it went down in Court...

                          After only one month back on the street young Johnquavious was last night admitted to the local Emergency Room with 6 gun shot wounds...He refused to speak to the Police about who shot him up....

                          These are the people that will get guns any way they can and are the predators that will come looking for yours and mine...The law needs to deal with these animals and keep them locked up and off the streets to keep doing the same crimes over and over again until they end up dead...

                          Obama mentioned today there have been 900 shootings since Sandy Hook....Johnquavious was one of them, to bad the shooter whoever they were missed center mass....
                          " An armed society is a polite society".... Robert A. Heinlein

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                          • #14
                            I think we need to keep in mind that congress will have to find a way to fund all this garbage. The obvious source is increased fees (not a tax) tacked onto every gun purchase. It could be very hefty (#100+) so I suggest buying now if you haven't.

                            Waiting for the funding shoe to drop is the only provision to date that affects me directly. I'm sure they will work their way around to CCW in a year or two.
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                            • #15
                              but, but, but

                              Originally posted by Tinman507 View Post
                              When is the general public going to realize that debt isn't something this president even worries about. He's never had to balance a budget, a checkbook or worry where the mortgage payment is going to come from. There will always be someone to bail him out. It's someone else's money, so why worry?
                              his kids have secret service security protection at school and ur kids do not, and he could really give a rats ass to.
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