I am leaving. Goodbye.

[chrish]

tinman has hit the nail on the head on every point.

+1000000000000000

[Popeye]

I can understand where Shoundrel is comming from as I've had to take a break from the some of the forums that I visit now and then. Not all of them are gun forums either. Just the fact that we're all from different parts of the country with different experiences,ages, backgrounds,races, education, and income can make getting along on the internet as pleasant as hearding cats. Sometimes what is written on the net in one part of the country in jest,could be taken completely wrong in another part. As they say the written word is easily misunderstood, and often is.
The part that gets me on many forums is that the topics talked about are so often high jacketed they make no sense at all and then arguments start, and then anything goes. Now the whole post was worthless.
Just as and example.
I saw a post recently on another forum that talked about Shotguns and there worth for HD. That post went so far off the original topic it that it created a lot of hard feelings and arguing, that it was nothing short of total insanity. It makes me wonder just how sane some gun owners actually are when the post starts out about Shotguns and can not stay anywhere near on topic. Why a post like that can not just talk about shotgun brands styles, guages and the types of ammo used for HD by Home owners who use shotguns is beyond me. Why do post like this always have to be about AR15's and other riflles or pistols when the original post was about Shotguns. Why can a post like that be left alone to stand on it's own.This goes on all the time on all forums these days. This to me anyway is not the reason these forums were created. In my my mind they were created to learn from one another in a positive and friendly manor. It seems like to many forums have drifted off there original purpose. It seems like many members of these forums feel they need to bash other brands to justify there gun purchases. I'll never undersand that mindset.
I can't remember haveing a bad word to say about Scoundrel or challenging him personally on his beliefs but I can understand why he is not partaking in many gun forums as many are way out of control and the negatives and political nonsense are far out weighing the positives. JMHO...Popeye

[yqtszhj]

Put very well Tinman. I think the sharing on this forum is meant to provide overall benefit to the other members.

I can understand how Scoundrel feels and why he has to do what he has to do. There was a time about 20 years ago when I quit going to the break room at work because of all the whining about how bad the company was and how we were all going to get laid off. I was working 60-70 hours a week then to make ends meet, had 2 kids then that were 5 and under, didn't ask for assistance from anyone, and just didn't need to hear the crap. I worked 2 jobs part of the time back then too so the wife could stay at home with the kids. At least if the lay off happened I could get another job. I eventually left before they shut the place down. Things turned for the better, I kept busting my tail working and have been very blessed for my efforts. I let them continue their whining and I tried to take some positive efforts for my future.

Well I can find another job but I can't find another free country to live in. I want to thank the moderators for allowing some leeway in what's posted on the forum. Information is key for preparation of whatever may come and changing the outcome of our future to something positive. The ability to share (and vent sometimes) about what is happening nation wide with our 2nd Amendment rights as well as the other things that are important in our country is valuable. And like it or not, I fear that if people don't stand up and say what they think we are going to keep heading down a bad road.

In 1994 a senator for my state made a public statement that if the US didn't get control over it's borders and immigration issues that America in 20 years would not be the same place, not that anything was wrong with the people themselves but it was a fact. He was called a racist. Well 20 years later we are not the same place and illegal immigration is out of control. Same thing is going to happen if people don't stand up and demand we get our government house in order.

Thanks again to the moderators for their patience with us all and God Bless the USA.

[RevRay]

OK. I realize I'm new and should probably stay out of this ... but I do have one comment to make



In all honesty, I would never have imagined that someone whose Screenname was "Scroundrel" and whose Avatar was a muzzle pointed at you, would end up being somebody I had to be careful around. If you ask me, they say, "Bring it on!"

[johnh]

I have let the forum drift to be more openly against the current administration. But I am not sure drift is the word. I think all of us in the firearms community have been pushed by that administration and their supporters, federal, state, and local, to take a stand against them. This is not bias, it is simply action, reaction. If the administration stops attacking us, we will likely back down as well. The current state of affairs between supporters of firearms rights and one side of the American political establishment, WAS NOT created by Second Amendment supporters.

[TheTman]

I believe the administrators are doing a great job in this climate. You guys have never been in such an hostile anti-gun situation as this and are flying by the seat of your pants as it were.
You can't tailor the forum to keep one person happy, so you do the best you can to keep everyone coming back. I know you like to keep politics to a minimum, but we are having this political situation forced onto us. And I thank you for allowing us to express our concerns and thoughts and reactions to various situations as they crop up. If we don't hang together, we will surely hang separtely. I can see where people who aren't very conservative, might have a problem with many of our posts. But I think you have to look out for the majority of us, and not worry if one of us takes offense and leaves. People leave forums all the time. There is just no way you can please everyone.

[downtownv]

I have let the forum drift to be more openly against the current administration. But I am not sure drift is the word. I think all of us in the firearms community have been pushed by that administration and their supporters, federal, state, and local, to take a stand against them. This is not bias, it is simply action, reaction. If the administration stops attacking us, we will likely back down as well. The current state of affairs between supporters of firearms rights and one side of the American political establishment, WAS NOT created by Second Amendment supporters.

Thanks John for not only standing by the 2 amendment but by the 1st!
I don't believe we would have free speech if there was no second amendment.

[certified106]

I think the Mods on this forum are doing a stand up job keeping things civil while still allowing people to discuss their disgust with the current political situation! In times like these we need to unite for the good of our cause instead of dividing. Right now we have a lot of people from the government working to take away our Second Amendment Rights and I am more concerned with those who just ignore it, wanting left alone, thinking that it will work itself out!!

I can get annoyed with the best of them sometimes by things that people say or their response to certain situations however I choose to just ignore it and walk away for a while to calm down. Hopefully after a short break you will realize that to walk away from a situation that is 90% good just to get rid of the 10% you didn't like isn't the best way to deal with it. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the current political situation will get us no where other than disarmed and subject to someones whims. I for one will try my best to not let it go down that way!

[Scoundrel]

OK, so despite what I said in the OP, I couldn't resist hanging around long enough to see the responses.
And, I was sorely tempted to respond to some things directly, but I won't turn this into a big arm wrestling match.

I appreciate the kind words and understanding expressed by many of you.

Regarding my "manifesto", I intended it to be shorter and lighter, but once I started typing it got away from me. Sorry if your eyes got tired while reading it.

One or two of you don't understand why people announce their departure. For me, it's because when someone just goes poof and disappears, I want to know why, and I think it is a point of consideration to provide a reason.

Some of the responses were quite predictable in a negative way, and to those I offer my thumb, pushing up on the end of my nose.

It was not my intention to "get the last word", and neither is this reply. You may rest assured that I did read your responses, and I'll read your replies to this message too, but I'm not going to change my mind about leaving, and I'm not going to be drawn into big discussions about key points in my post.

My avatar is meant to be in the fashion of a portait, which is why there is an eye, and no hand on the weapon making it menacing. I apologize if anyone feels threatened by it. If you want to know more, search up the thread about avatar meanings.

I was probably too hard on the admins in my post. I understand why it's got to be the way it is, and the forums are the best place for people to voice their frustration and build a community to resist the stripping of our rights.

But with any group like that, there are the reasonable people who are justifiably angry, and there are the nut jobs who take it to the extreme, and there are the ones who repeat themselves over and over until surely they must get tired of their own words repeated again and again, but sadly they never do. And when it works its way into nearly every thread, it is like a small amount of poison consumed every day. At first you don't even notice it. Later you feel bad and don't know why. Much later, you know something is very wrong but not the source. By the time you figure out the source, the damage is done.


There were way more replies than I expected. I did hope to spark a bit of self-navel-examination among the community, and figured some people would take it personally. Nothing could be done about that. I hope that this followup provides a few of you with a better feeling about my intentions. I'm probably missing something else I should have replied to, but "frailty, thy name is human".

That is all.

[jocko]

OK, so despite what I said in the OP, I couldn't resist hanging around long enough to see the responses


I predicted that perfectly. I did not see any animosity towards ur post that u were leaving, from anyone,,, so why apologize for sumnpin u believe in...

Not to sure u sparked any "self-navel examination from most on this forum. Their opinions matter just as much as yours does/did. they are all adults to, so IMO the self-navel exam might work with kids but not with adults who come from all walks of life and from all areas in this cuntry of ours. Not everyone thinks the same as u and I,nor should they.

Just sayin

[OldLincoln]

Hey has anybody heard from MikeyKahr lately? Did he leave too?

I've been lacking appreciation of the negative slant for a while, but occasionally participate anyway. It's really like we know what he is by what he does. Whatever we say isn't going to have any effect so more and more I'm opting to just not reply.

I do wish you well Scoundrel and hope being away from this helps you.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Kahrtalk is one of the more "calm" forums I frequent. It's unfortunate you are choosing to leave but it's understandable. The internet needs to be taken as lightly as possible to not have it drive you crazy.

[GROTMAN]

[QUOTE=OldLincoln;226740]Hey has anybody heard from MikeyKahr lately? Did he leave too?

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[ORSalesRep]

One of the things that I like about this forum the most is that I can login and share my aggravation with the current administration, voice how much I dislike Obama and how little I trust him, along with reading current events that others post which support my feelings. I like interacting with others who feel the same and I certainly don't get any of that from the mainstream media.

[jocko]

normally there are no obummer supporters on gun forums.What few have been on this one seem to temper their comments even so as not to get hammered by all. One is not gonna make alot of friends by being pro obummer on any gun forum.

He does not give a rats ass about gun owners, I really believe that to, so he gets zero from ol jocko. U gotta earn my respect.