Buyers Remorse

[TheManWith2FirstName]

Wow. Didn't expect this many responses. Thanks for all the helpful information. It's a little surprising that Kahr doesn't fix the issue, but I suppose it's just cosmetic. Oh well. I'll take her out to the range in the next week or two and see what she does.

[b4uqzme]

We just want you to enjoy what we've come to love. We get kinda passionate when Kahrs don't get the chance to break in and prove themselves before they are judged. " shoot it like you stole it" (jocko).

[HarleyJack]

It's called a mold cavity parting line. The mold consists of several parts fitted together. All of our guns have that parting line, but just not as pronounced. The mold setup guy just didn't fit the parts together as well for the production batch that produced your gun.

[Jeremiah/Az]

My PM9 has the same exact lines on it, both sides. Nothin' to worry about.

[ltxi]

Wow. Didn't expect this many responses. Thanks for all the helpful information. It's a little surprising that Kahr doesn't fix the issue, but I suppose it's just cosmetic. Oh well. I'll take her out to the range in the next week or two and see what she does.

Fix what?? There's nothing to "fix". Good grief Charlie Brown.

[jocko]

Imo

LOL! Glock doesn't make an expensive version and a cheap version of the same gun. Just sayin. I wonder if they would let a PM9 go out in the same condition?

yes they would, its the same lower secion for cm and pm. I am not saying it is wrong or right but it is what it is. One should havemabye looke dover the gun alot more to be sure and confident of what he was buying. It personlly wold not bother me in a second, aslong as it was not a real crack that went all the way through. But everyone has their own views to

Its an odd place IMO for a mold makr but also an odd place for a crack. I guess if others have seen this mark on their guns in the same area, then indeed it is a mod mark. thesepoly frames are tugh as nails, not ur cheapo plastic sh!t we think so much of..

Just shoot it likeu stole it and like someone said, u soon will forget all about it ..

[JFootin]

There is also the issue of the back of the frame not matching up with the back of the slide on some Kahr pistols. And the bulges that don't look right on the frame sides near the front. I've also seen many comments about how it seems that Kahr has a softer polymer than many other makers. My two other polymer guns, my >$500 Walther PPQ and my <$200 Taurus TCP, both have much harder and more neatly and finely molded polymer than my Kahr CM9. Glocks aren't pretty, but you don't see variations like this in them.

My theory is that Kahr just doesn't consider it important that the polymer on their guns be perfect in appearance down to the finest detail, as long as it functions correctly. Hey, we also have magazines that don't fit anywhere near flush in the grip frame, which is a very unsightly feature. Oh, and that ugly grip extension only on the front of the extended mags (which they recently redesigned, thankfully). I could be wrong, but I think I see an entrenched attitude at Kahr regarding these things, and I don't think it is going to change. No gun is perfect and Kahrs are what they are, which happens to be some of the best concealed carry guns on the market.

[kcs1]

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject. What you are seeing is a witness mark from a cracked cavity in the mold that produced the frame. While not a show stopper from where it is located in the tool it is still a cause for concern. For an injection mold to have taken a serious enough of a hit to crack a cavity there has to be other damage elsewhere in the tool. I feel I am qualified to speak to this as I have been an engineering manager / tooling manager in the plastics injection molding industry for over 35 years. My main concern is what else is out of tolerance / spec. in that mold cavity and why are they continuing to run it and use the parts before it is properly repaired or replaced. I would like to think Kahr as a company that manufacturers a product that must work in a life or death situation would at least adhere to the same standards as other companies who follow the ISO guidelines for quality. Now on the plus side, my CM9 that I purchased last fall has the same mark so the frame came from that mold cavity and it has worked 100%.

[CJB]

If the cavity was cracked wouldnt the imperfection be a positive instead of negative?

[HarleyJack]

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject. What you are seeing is a witness mark from a cracked cavity in the mold that produced the frame. While not a show stopper from where it is located in the tool it is still a cause for concern. For an injection mold to have taken a serious enough of a hit to crack a cavity there has to be other damage elsewhere in the tool. I feel I am qualified to speak to this as I have been an engineering manager / tooling manager in the plastics injection molding industry for over 35 years. My main concern is what else is out of tolerance / spec. in that mold cavity and why are they continuing to run it and use the parts before it is properly repaired or replaced. I would like to think Kahr as a company that manufacturers a product that must work in a life or death situation would at least adhere to the same standards as other companies who follow the ISO guidelines for quality. Now on the plus side, my CM9 that I purchased last fall has the same mark so the frame came from that mold cavity and it has worked 100%.

This is not a cracked cavity witness mark. If you look at the parting line it's geometrically perfect and the same line exist on the opposite side of the frame (faintly). And if you take a look inside the frame you can clearly see how the mold was constructed and that these are parting lines. This is just a mismatch caused by the mold setup guy.

[Ikeo74]

The Original Poster and and Chicken Little have a lot in common. The Sky is not falling. If you observe the line in only a continuation of the Kahr Logo and is purposely raised and continued around the curve of the grip in order to highlight the Logo. They all have it and it's supposed to be there. The mold is perfect and this discussion is over. Now lets move on to a real issue instead of an imaginary one.

[7shot]

My theory is that Kahr just doesn't consider it important that the polymer on their guns be perfect in appearance down to the finest detail, as long as it functions correctly. Hey, we also have magazines that don't fit anywhere near flush in the grip frame, which is a very unsightly feature. Oh, and that ugly grip extension only on the front of the extended mags (which they recently redesigned, thankfully). I could be wrong, but I think I see an entrenched attitude at Kahr regarding these things, and I don't think it is going to change. No gun is perfect and Kahrs are what they are, which happens to be some of the best concealed carry guns on the market.

If that we're true, IMO that's a crappy way to run a business and a good way to surly loose there customer base. What are they not going to give a S about next, weather it actually will fire? I sure hope you're not correct on your assumptions.

[JFootin]

If that we're true, IMO that's a crappy way to run a business and a good way to surly loose there customer base. What are they not going to give a S about next, weather it actually will fire? I sure hope you're not correct on your assumptions.

Well, it's just conjecture based on my observations being a Kahr owner and a member here for 3 years. Over all, Kahrs are dependable, durable firearms that are easy to carry and a pleasure to shoot. I think there is room for improvement in quality control, and ongoing issues with the design of the mags that really should be addressed.

But that being said, my CM9 is the most well liked gun I have ever owned in over 40 years of adulthood and gun ownership.

[Bagstrap]

Wow, just when I thought I knew my PM9, I've gone over it with a fine tooth comb and behold I also have that line/mark on mine. Mfg date is 3/2013 so it is fresh off the press. Have no issues with it and the gun goes bang just fine. Would never have noticed.

[phil413tx]

Buyers Remorse

I noticed I have the same line too on my PM9. Just got the PM9 a few weeks ago. Funny I had not noticed it. It definitely looks like it is supposed to be there.