Am I the bad guy in this situation?

[CJB]

Folks, I'm upset over this.... I just can't get my mind around it.

Last night, we had a meeting of the local motorcycle safety organization, where I'm the Executive Secretary on the Executive board of Directors. We had our meeting at the Treasurers house. The Treasurer is a 40 something female. All well so far.

During and after the meeting, its not uncommon to folks to partake in a few adult beverages. I don't know if the Treasurer had. I do not partake when I'm at someone's house doing business for the Board of Directors. Thats just me. After the meeting, its not unusual for more socializing to occur, and while I don't drink - because I'm driving - I'll stick around for a half hour or so.

Last night the Treasurer disappeared for a moment, and came out, pistol in hand, slide closed, finger in the trigger guard, and it was pointed at me. I got REALLY nervous, and asked her, and asked her, and asked her three times not to point it at me, and finally getting quite loud told here to point the fookin' thing away from me unless she wanted mine pointed back at her. She actually followed me with its muzzle as I tried to avoid being in the potenial line of fire, and all the while told me its ok, its unloaded.

She finally opened the action, while STILL following me with its muzzle from about 7 feet away, and I was furious. She tried to close the action, and could not. My friend took the pistol, a Sig or small Colt 380, and he tried to close the action, and couldn't. I told him to drop the mag, press the slide release and keep it pointed down. He did.

I went on.... told the Treasurer that she was full of BS, because she could not have checked it being loaded, as she was incapable of closing the action on the pistol. I told her to NEVER point it anyone, and to PROVE to everyone its safe when bringing it out, by opening the action first. Told her to not put her finger in the trigger guard. Told her I'd have a word with his husband over this matter.

She said... my husband is not the one teaching me safety. And I told her that it was quite evident that he is not.

So.... I got pissed off. I think rightly so. I just left at that point. I need no part of semi intoxicated firearms handling in a small group setting.

And for it all.... I have been labeled thin skinned and the bad guy. I jumped her case, she didn't deserve it, etc etc.

Can any words be too strong when a person who's been drinking is pointed a weapon at you, action closed, finger in the trigger guard, and assuring you "its not loaded"?

Clearly, I'm still pissed.... this just takes the cake in my book.

Gimme some feedback folks... I need to calm down some.

[jeepster09]

Wow....you were pretty calm to her. I would of loudly said "what the fuucc is wrong with you...pointing a gun at me?" I think I would also resign from club over it. Life is to short as it is.....you never know with a moron pointing a gun it could of ended for you.

[JohnR]

Any idea why she pointed it at you specifically?

[sas PM9]

Wow....you were pretty calm to her. I would of loudly said "what the fuucc is wrong with you...pointing a gun at me?" I think I would also resign from club over it. Life is to short as it is.....you never know with a moron pointing a gun it could of ended for you.

Agree with J, but with the exception that is is she that needs to be removed from office not CJB to resign.

Alcohol and handguns are a very bad mixture.

Her husband needs to lock the guns where she cannot get to them if she is that irresponsible with them, ignoring the most basic safety rules.

-steve

[jocko]

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Any idea why she pointed it at you specifically?

guess CJB arrived on a goldwiner. ust sayin.

[CJB]

The pointing was inadvertant, I believe. She had the pisol pointing away from herself, and we were facing each other about half way across the room. As I sidestepped and scolded her, she continually turned toward me still holding the pistol away from her. I didn't mean to imply... that she it puposefully. On the contrary, she is a total know it all ******* that should not be handling weapons of any sort.

[Sage]

That's exactly how people get killed. I don't know what else you could have done but I'm glad you're ok.

[chrish]

She's lucky she's not dead or in the hospital.

I would be pressing charges, plain and simple. The law needs to hold her accountable for brandishing and her constitutional right to own a firearm needs to be revoked. She's dangerous. If that adversely impacts her husband in your state, well then, too freakin' bad.

In the meantime, I think I'd find a different group of people to hang out with. If the rest of them are labeling you as over-reactionary...stay the hell away from them, they are all incompetent.


That's my opinion, for what its worth.

[ripley16]

Gimme some feedback folks... I need to calm down some.

The lady needs to hear from folks that what she did was stupid. Perhaps a few other members could back you up, in a friendly, positive but firm manner that she needs to obey safety rules around guns. If she can't take the criticism in a mature manner, that tells you she is dangerous even when sober and avoiding her would be a good thing.

[kwh]

Sorry I have nothing to say to calm you down. I read it four times and now I am upset. Everyone is wrong but you. I would never go to her house again, even if she apologizes . Life is too short and precious.

[jocko]

IMO, if the organization itself did not see the harm or aything and take the matter in their onw hands, then I would just never go back,esign if it please u but for me I would just never go back and when asked, then state ur reasons. Not to sure that it speaks very highly of the organization u belong to though.

I woldthink in the future u shold meet at a neutral place and certainly not at someone's home front. There are normally alot of public meeting places availalbe for small meeting such as this one. Library, city office building. Public service buildings etc, even churchs offer such places. certainly it would eliminate any liqour which seems to be the starting culprit of this to.

Have ur meetings sober and alcohol free and then go to a neighborhood bar to do the drinking. She s definitely at fault, but sure seems to me to be some laxeness of how a meetinfg should be held.

If ur gonna have liquor around, EXPECT THE WORSE.

By not resigning but still explaining why u won't attend any more meetings until things change for the good of the meetings such as safety etc, at least u are still keeping the door open for u to later on come back into the group and be a productive member.

Maybe a good change of officers would be in order to. But also if the group itself just laughed it off and paid no attention to this incident either, maybe it is time to move on.

Not rocket science. My local Izaak Walton club p[issed me off this summer with some ignoranty shooting rules. I paid over a $100 a year to join just to shoot and then they come up with some cock a mania stupid rules *that they later on even changed), Pissed me off, so I just told um that day that I would not be back but I never resigned, as I wanted to keep that door open to me if down the road I changed my mind.

Its ur call CJB, More than likey u were at a Harley owners majority group and they are know to tilt the bottle more than any utter bike group, u yourself have been known on this forum to tip a few in ur area. Sh!t is gonna happen when alcolhol and guns mix. The nature of two beasts

If ur a long standing member with organizational respect from the group, then I would present in writing to the officers of the offense that occured and give some recommendations etc and see if they act on it, in a manner that would at least get membership suggestions..

I would think if a member was packing and pull his gun and did that sh!t that he would be hammered by his fellow gun pakcers . quite possably many utter membersfeellike u do also but were alittle afraid to state their feeling etc. U might have more back ing than u think if it is presented correctly to the officers of the group for their debate etc..

U will keep us posted hopefully.

[JohnR]

Safety is a state of mind. If she lacks gun safety, I wouldn't expect her to exhibit motorcycle safety.

[jocko]

she could be a back seat rider..

[mars]

No you are not in the wrong and if the people think you are then it is best to move on as it is common sense to not pull out a firearm in that manner or setting. That person did not follow basic firearm safety and could not operate the firearm properly.

[Kinetic]

CJB, you didn't overreact. You handled it quite well actually. What was that **** thinking?!