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    Armed robbery at 2:00 AM after Mall shopping

    Good evening fellows. As a somewhat recent CC person I've asked a couple of "what ifs" questions here and got great responses.
    Now for the next one. The couple on the news in Oklahoma City came out of the Mall at 2:00 in the morning loaded with packages and was robbed at gun point as they loaded their vehicle. Everything including their vehicle was taken. Sounds like they were definitely taken by surprise and wouldn't have had any chance to use a gun at that time, but after the gunmen (there were two but only one gun) got in their car to drive off what would/could/should an armed victum have done.

    As the thieves drove off the threat was over so I'm thinking any gun-play at that time would be considered by law enforcement as using unnecessary force and cause the victum even more trouble.

    Could you stand there with your gun in it's holster and not done anything watching your car going away? I'm wondering what I would have done - other than not be shopping at 2:00 in the morning in a large city.
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    You nailed it. The threat is over, the temptation is huge but you better just wait to file the report.

    I don't know if I could watch my car go away either, would be tough.
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    • #3
      Armed robbery at 2:00 AM after Mall shopping

      Once threat to life has ended, so has the right to use deadly force. The only thing you are protecting at that pint is material possessions.
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      • #4
        Doesn't Jocko have a saying about this? Something about shooting the fokker like he stole it?
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        • #5
          And your dignity, manhood and self respect. But these things aren't important to lawyers who don't understand the concept.

          Nobody likes it when the bad guy wins and they usually do because the good guys have a mountain of rules we have to play by.
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          Cue sound of Head slap.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ParabellumJ View Post
            Once threat to life has ended, so has the right to use deadly force. The only thing you are protecting at that pint is material possessions.
            My thoughts exactly.
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            • #7
              If the victim had a concealed permit and his gun on him, then he had ample time to used it before they drove away in his car. He could have shot the perp with the gun (with his own gun) before they drove off and claimed fear of his life, and would have justified. IMO.

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              • #8
                Hopefully the bad guys in this case will be caught before they can dump the booty. The victium identified the gunman from Mall video cameras, and for a change the video was very clear and precise. The victium said they shouldn't have walked to the car when no one else was in the parking lot even though it was full of cars, and he noticed the guys walking toward them but even feeling uneasy didn't return to the Mall immediately.
                On the news he said they went shopping the next day to replace things, and to apply for a CC permit.
                Even seeing some nervous looking characters approaching, just how ready could you get for a gun to be pointed at you in close range. Maybe raise your shirt tail or coat to expose your weapon? Or very descretly have it ready in your hand? With your wife and very young child there it could get very dicey. Maybe even armed he did what would be the right thing, but he had no way of knowing what the BGs were up to. Or if they were the "leave no witnesses" type.

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                • #9
                  Thanks Allen for bringing this up so I can pontificate. What to do so we can all learn by this--esp at this time of year. I seldom will allow both my hands full if I am walking to the car with my wife. Alone is different. Situational awareness. I always have my strong side free in case I have to go for my protection. If there is so much stuff that I we have to carry, then I leave my wife with the stuff at the front of the store and I pull the car up.
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                  • #10
                    I agree with what everyone has said so far. Appears they were lucky, no one got hurt, anything else is just junk that can be replaced.

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                    • #11
                      Excellent point knkali -- if you can't easily access your firearm (under "normal" circumstances) you are jeopardizing the point of carrying. Likewise, situational awareness is #1.
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                      • #12
                        Lawyers are expensive. The court system wastes time away from job and family. Avoid both. Difficult I know to let them get away, but you saved money by avoiding the courts. Deadly force IMHO is to protect family, not stuff.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RRP View Post
                          Doesn't Jocko have a saying about this? Something about shooting the fokker like he stole it?
                          Here in Texas if a crook is making off with your property after dark, it is entirely legal to chase them and fill them full of lead.
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                          • #14
                            Ha! There's only one Texas!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Armybrat View Post
                              Here in Texas if a crook is making off with your property after dark, it is entirely legal to chase them and fill them full of lead.
                              Still, I would not promote this idea to rectify this type of situation...

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