Shoot first, call 911 later.

[muggsy]

Let the debate begin.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/shoo...11-call-video/

[Longitude Zero]

IF you have a precursor event that tells you that trouble is coming, and you can dial 911 and drop the phone and let it be your recorder. If caught flat footed deal with the situation and call 911 when the event has concluded.

[muggsy]

I like the idea of having back-up, but in several cases 911 calls have been used to prosecute home owners. In the event of a home invasion I'm going to defend myself first and call 911 later. I'm also going to be very careful what I tell the operator.

[Longitude Zero]

If you conduct yourself properly the recording can be your friend. Truth is in the light...Lies prefer the darkness.


IMHO Most of the prosecuted homeowners messed up and got what they deserved. It is VERY RARE that the truth hurts an honest use of force.

[100percent]

I live in an home that the phone doesn't work unless I am on the porch. I don't think that I am going to dance around looking for a phone signal.

Most anything that I say can and will be used against me, the best thing I can do is survive. Hard to say if everything that I do under moments of extreme stress are going to look 100percent to a courtroom who have the luxury of seeing events unfold in slow motion.

But since I live in Missouri in a rural environment it is my castle and I am the master.

[JohnR]

I read a lot of scenarios on forums where people say they'll call 911 with one hand, drive away with the other, and fend off the attack with their left foot or something, instead of focusing 100% of stopping the attack. I can't believe the person in the news story got a recording when calling 911!

[knkali]

Let the debate begin.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/shoo...11-call-video/

Interesting in that my response to a home invasion has changed because of a long ago thread that you and I had. In it IIRC you rec arming yourself in your home, finding a safe place call 911 and wait for the cavalry. If the cavalry hasn't come and the BG is trying to get at you, then kill the SOb(s). I am not sure if you are still of that mindset. While everyone's scenario is a just a little different and the one with the link is, are you still an anti Rambo guy?

[wyntrout]

Calvary as in the biblical hill, or as in a cavalry charge... armed military on horseback... or motorized attack??

Wynn

[muggsy]

Interesting in that my response to a home invasion has changed because of a long ago thread that you and I had. In it IIRC you rec arming yourself in your home, finding a safe place call 911 and wait for the Calvary. If the Calvary hasn't come and the BG is trying to get at you, then kill the SOb(s). I am not sure if you are still of that mindset. While everyone's scenario is a just a little different and the one with the link is, are you still an anti Rambo guy?

That scenario only applied when in the middle of the night I hear a noise. Someone kicking in my door when I'm up and about calls for another response all together. Since I armed when up and about and not likely to have time to make it to a safe room, or to call 911, I'll shoot first and call later. There is also an alternate plan B to every scenario. Since I'm a sedentary old man I have time to think about these things.

[getsome]

The following is from a firearms magazine article by attorney Jason Squires who has defended many firearms related cases....His suggestions come from real life court room jury cases and make sense to me....

1. Never cross the threshold of your home with a gun in your hand...In law a detached garage or other out building on your property but not part of the physical residence are called "curtilage" and generally the law affords less protection to curtilage as they usually contain possessions rather than humans in danger so in other words if you hear someone stealing your car at 2am and you go out to confront them and it ends up in gunfire you're likely to be in legal trouble....His advice is to call 911 and get the Police involved and to stay inside.....

2. Call 911...He says to ALWAYS call 911 before doing anything....Jurors always ask "Why didn't he call 911" It's almost implied that in a civilized society a law abiding citizen doesn't take the law into their own hands but calls in the Police to do the dirty work...

3. Proportionality....He says not to bring a gun to a shouting match but to go inside and get away from the confrontation and calmly call 911 and let the Police sort it out because if you don't and the argument turns into a fist fight which escalates into gunfire, somebodys going to the hospital or morgue and sombodys going to prison...

4. Be Afraid....If you're not afraid for yours or a loved one's life you shouldn't unholster your weapon....Every jurisdiction recognizes the right of self defense but you must be able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you were in fear of death to use a firearm and have a normal jury find you innocent and the shooting self defense...Remember most jury members wont be "gun friendly"....

5. No Cars...While this rule is unpopular he says the best course of action is to use the accelerator to get away from danger if at all possible then when a safe distance from the danger to call 911 and report the incident...He says in his experience a jury almost always associates a gun in a car or when a firearm is used in a traffic situation with "road rage" and the defendant is often seen as a participant in the situation no matter what really happened....He goes on to say that witnesses rarely come forward after seeing an incident in traffic and most people don't want to get involved which leaves the defendant in a he says, she says situation when the Police arrive after a shooting....

6. Last thing he says and this really makes sense if you stop and think about it is instead of buying additional weapons, holsters, magazines or ammo to reserve some money to seek legal advice and to have an attorney who is knowledgeable about firearms defense on retainer if God Forbid you ever really have to use your weapon to defend yourself....George Zimmerman used a pistol to save his life but his attorney and legal team saved him from life in prison...


Take the previous legal advice for what it's worth but it is something to think about because this fellow does this for a living and has seen what really happens in a court of law and how juries think when a firearm is involved in a self defense shooting case........Your mileage may vary

[Bawanna]

Won't be no lawyer piggy bank in my house. Everything you said makes good sense.

I always say let common sense be your guide. When you mention lawyer, all that goes right out the window.

Course they do it for a living, probably has 6 cars, 4 boats and a mansion while I drive a 14 year old van and need to start a piggy bank for him.

[getsome]

You are correct again oh wise one...Common sense is your best bet...I don't have a lawyer fund either, heck I can hardly afford the bullets to shoot the bad guy with much less have an attorney available on speed dial....I don't necessarily agree with the no guns in the car deal either because I always have a gun on me where it's legal to do so and I had to use a car to get to those places so if I'm in the car so is my pistol....I do see his point in not letting road anger get out of hand to the point of gun play though....I just smile and say thank you to the nuts that cut me off and tell me I'm number one ....Works way mo betta

[knkali]

Calvary as in the biblical hill, or as in a cavalry charge... armed military on horseback... or motorized attack??

Wynn

Thanks Wyn! Corrected it

[knkali]

That scenario only applied when in the middle of the night I hear a noise. Someone kicking in my door when I'm up and about calls for another response all together. Since I armed when up and about and not likely to have time to make it to a safe room, or to call 911, I'll shoot first and call later. There is also an alternate plan B to every scenario. Since I'm a sedentary old man I have time to think about these things.

Got it thanks

[knkali]

The following is from a firearms magazine article by attorney Jason Squires who has defended many firearms related cases....His suggestions come from real life court room jury cases and make sense to me....

1. Never cross the threshold of your home with a gun in your hand...In law a detached garage or other out building on your property but not part of the physical residence are called "curtilage" and generally the law affords less protection to curtilage as they usually contain possessions rather than humans in danger so in other words if you hear someone stealing your car at 2am and you go out to confront them and it ends up in gunfire you're likely to be in legal trouble....His advice is to call 911 and get the Police involved and to stay inside.....

2. Call 911...He says to ALWAYS call 911 before doing anything....Jurors always ask "Why didn't he call 911" It's almost implied that in a civilized society a law abiding citizen doesn't take the law into their own hands but calls in the Police to do the dirty work...

3. Proportionality....He says not to bring a gun to a shouting match but to go inside and get away from the confrontation and calmly call 911 and let the Police sort it out because if you don't and the argument turns into a fist fight which escalates into gunfire, somebodys going to the hospital or morgue and sombodys going to prison...

4. Be Afraid....If you're not afraid for yours or a loved one's life you shouldn't unholster your weapon....Every jurisdiction recognizes the right of self defense but you must be able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you were in fear of death to use a firearm and have a normal jury find you innocent and the shooting self defense...Remember most jury members wont be "gun friendly"....

5. No Cars...While this rule is unpopular he says the best course of action is to use the accelerator to get away from danger if at all possible then when a safe distance from the danger to call 911 and report the incident...He says in his experience a jury almost always associates a gun in a car or when a firearm is used in a traffic situation with "road rage" and the defendant is often seen as a participant in the situation no matter what really happened....He goes on to say that witnesses rarely come forward after seeing an incident in traffic and most people don't want to get involved which leaves the defendant in a he says, she says situation when the Police arrive after a shooting....

6. Last thing he says and this really makes sense if you stop and think about it is instead of buying additional weapons, holsters, magazines or ammo to reserve some money to seek legal advice and to have an attorney who is knowledgeable about firearms defense on retainer if God Forbid you ever really have to use your weapon to defend yourself....George Zimmerman used a pistol to save his life but his attorney and legal team saved him from prison...


Take the previous legal advice for what it's worth but it is something to think about because this fellow does this for a living and has seen what really happens in a court of law and how juries think when a firearm is involved in a self defense shooting case........Your mileage may vary

Solid. Thanks for the post


I'll mention this business in light of the above post. I am a subscriber but that's all I can say about it. CCWSAFE.