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**Bawanna** · 08-18-2014, 04:30 PM

I'm not sure what you want to hear. In the old days the 380's had some teething issues, of late they seem to be good to go.
The majority of all the models are also good to go, I'd venture to say no more issues than any other manufacture.

Kahr has also had some CS teething issues which rumor has it they are working to alleviate.

Buying anything used is a gamble, unless you can shoot it and test it, it's a risk.

I would not be hesitant to buy Kahr new, there's no gamble at all. If it don't run Kahr will fix it.

I haven't drank any Kahr kool aid is quite a spell and so far I've not received any pay checks from them either but their guns work for me.

**CJB** · 08-18-2014, 04:37 PM

Three Kahrs a nine and two forty fives. All run great.

**muggsy** · 08-18-2014, 04:42 PM

If your friend had requested a prepaid mailing label in all probability Kahr would have obliged, provided that he was the original owner and the gun was still under warranty. They aren't required to do that, but they usually do. Another option is to return the gun through his local FFL. AN FFL can ship a gun for far less than $60. More often than not Kahr pistols function flawlessly, but like most things you are far more likely to hear from people who have problems than from the people who don't. If you like to complain then a Kahr pistol probably isn't for you. If you do buy a Kahr and it doesn't perform to your expectations Kahr's service department is one of the best. Kahr makes some of the finest concealed carry pistols available.

**hardknocks1** · 08-18-2014, 05:42 PM

Per the Internet glocks makin a single stack 9 this year.
All 3 9mm kahrs for me been perfect. I have a lcp 380 I'm afraid to trade for the Kahr 380.

**b4uqzme** · 08-18-2014, 05:55 PM

You lost me at "my beloved Glocks" (insert smiley face here). Seriously, we all have our own experiences and preferences. Mine have been great with Kahr which is why I stick with them.

You DO know how to make an entrance, I'll give you that. Welcome. Just don't get a sales job.

**CJB** · 08-18-2014, 06:27 PM

The problem with comparing the Kahr pistols, especially the PM/CM series, to any other type of pistol, is that the Kahr is purpose built, a speciality pistol. It is made to be small, and must be considered and treated in light of that.

IOW, larger pistols do not need as much, or any "break in". It all has to do with the recoil spring. Larger pistols, better slide travel, breech face over-run, etc etc.... much more forgiving of loads, springs, and holds by the shooter.

You get things very small, there is less room for error. Everything in the mechanism is finely tuned and must operate correctly and perfectly. Look at how much trouble almost any sub 3-3/4 inch 1011 is. You get to 3-1/2 and less length barrels... things get very dicey as far as operation goes. This is not a Kahr issue alone.

**kwh** · 08-18-2014, 06:32 PM

Went through the same dilemma several years ago after receiving my CCL All the small carry pistols had their share of problems,according to the internet. Decided on the Kahr CM9 as my EDC pocket pistol because it fit my pocket better than the other small 9's and was not much larger than a lot of the .380"s. Bought new, had a warranty. Saw no need to spend more on the P series. Now also have a CW45 ($350 used) and CW380 ($319.00 new,local gun store). All work just fine,but have to feed ammo the CW45 and CM380 like. You must be willing to break them in. Doubtful if they will be 100% straight out of the box. Another customer bought a $PM380$ from the same store shortly after I did and could not get pistol to shoot more than one round without a failure. He sent the pistol back through the store. I am also a Ruger fan. They all work 100% for me out of the box. However when I field strip my Kahr's and compare the internals & barrel polishing to the Rugers, the Kahrs seem far superior. Also, a feature of the Kahrs almost no one brings up, is that for the same external dimensions the Kahrs always seem to have a longer barrel. Important in the world of short barrel defensive pistol ammo. I would rather carry my CM9 than the CW380. More power and just the right size.

**Jollyrogers** · 08-18-2014, 06:36 PM

My used PM9 and new P380 have run fine. The P380 is a little finicky, but not near as bad as the G42 I owned for 5 days. I really like the PM9!!! I took a chance and it was worth it for me... or just wait for that single stack Gxx 9mm, I'll wait until it's been out a while myself before I ever get another Glock, and I too love my Glocks.

**GenericUsername** · 08-18-2014, 07:39 PM

FWIW I owned a Kahr and sold it. I only had a single malfunction with it (due to a magazine with a sticky follower) and it was flawless other than that. Kahr makes a great gun however their magazines are terrible. This terribleness is accentuated by the fact that Kahr does very little to ensure the feed ramps so not slam into the follower when firing the last shot of every magazine. As such, it's not uncommon for the front skirt on Kahr magazines to break. You can send your gun in for a few weeks and supposedly they'll fix it but I'm not willing to pay $400 on a product that has a high probability of being flawed straight from the factory.

I keep wanting to get another CM9 but until Kahr has a major overhaul in the QC section I do not see myself returning. YMMV.

**SlowBurn** · 08-18-2014, 08:19 PM

My P380 has been sweet. It's a far superior weapon to my LCP. It has been the class of the mouse guns for years according to most independent experts, and I think almost any objective observer would agree. Now that the CW380, which is identical to the P380 in the important features, is available in the same price range as the LCP, choosing the Kahr is a no brainer.

Anyone can have issues with any gun. Sometimes it's the gun sometimes it's the shooter. My LCP was reliable, but Ruger couldn't fix the smiley problem and really wouldn't even acknowledge it. So I don't carry Elsie anymore.

**yqtszhj** · 08-18-2014, 08:35 PM

1st kahr cw9
2nd cm9
3rd cw45
4th cm45

All have been excellent. Traded the cw9 for the cm9 ( wish I had just bought it outright). Still have all the rest and don't plan to get rid of any of them.

I have a LCP too but it doesn't get carried any more. Kahrs and a j-frame have taken its place.

**TheLastDaze** · 08-18-2014, 08:36 PM

thanks for the responses so far... I really anticipated putting on my flame suit before I checked this thread.....

as far as glocks go I've never had a single hiccup in any of my glocks, I run mixed brass through them and shoot around 1k-1.5k rounds a month, guess you can say I'm a glock fan boy as they simply work... Its a love/hate with glock and I used to be on the hater side, plastic crap etc when they first came to the states... now look at every manufacturer across the board has copied them... gotta say something... if in FACT they do come out with a single stack 9 I'm all over that, and they will kill the market guaranteed, kinda taken back why they came out with the 42 to begin with... I digress

I own and have owned many brands over the years, I like some stuff from Ruger but definitely not everything, in fact I think a lot of what they put out is just nasty from an aesthetics platform... though my lcp has been a dream, its not wore out I'm just after the new one...

again I "wanted" really wanted to buy a kahr 380 either cw or p didn't matter but not sure I want to take the risk in a summer gun.. I love the trigger and really am on the fence about the pm9, I'm no gunsmith but have done a fair share of work to guns, my thoughts are if someone pawned one they were probably new to guns and wasn't aware nor did they care to send it in..

its good to hear they are taking things more seriously at kahr and perhaps need better management and to move out of Massachusetts for a better rep

I may take the plunge and if I do I'm holding everyone that's posted here personally liable for any hangups....

sold my wife's lc9 with the mickey mouse "loaded indicator" and shoddy trigger and looking to get her the new lc9s striker fire, tried it in a gun store and WOW huge improvement!!! I'm not completely swayed by the internet and sometimes like a challenge so I may make the nestea kahr plunge, again I'll just sell it to the koolaid drinkers and probably buy myself an lc9s as well

**TheLastDaze** · 08-18-2014, 09:00 PM

apparently my smiley's aren't working in the post above....

**O'Dell** · 08-18-2014, 09:20 PM

Seven Kahrs over the last six or seven years, and other than a PM45 and a CW9 that managed to get themselves stolen, not a one has given me any trouble at all. That would be two CW45's, a PM9, an MK40, a CW40, and the afore mentioned PM45 and CW9.

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