Does Kahr suck that bad??

[O'Dell]

perhaps need better management and to move out of Massachusetts for a better rep

I know you were kidding but Kahr is in the process of moving to PA.

[yqtszhj]

I had a glock in the late 80's. Sold it and said I'd never buy another one because the grip was weird. Dont ever say that.

About 3 months ago I held a 30s that has the SF frame. It actually felt pretty good. Bought it. Then traded another gun I never shot for a gen4 19 because they changed the grip with the gen 4 and it felt all right. I still don't like the glock trigger as well as the kahr. If Kahr made a 11 round .45 or a 15 round 9mm the glocks would be gone. The kahr trigger is about the smoothest striker fired trigger there is. I also shoot the kahrs a WHOLE lot better than the glocks because they are so smooth.

[SlowBurn]

apparently my smiley's aren't working in the post above....

I see em in Tapatalk

[TheLastDaze]

checking out a cw9 now.. if the price doesn't get stupid I may have to pick it up.. its new and goes for the used price of a pm9....

though I don't have much trigger time on a kahr, there's no way (for me) its trigger is better than a glock...

[Bawanna]

It's all in what one considers a better trigger. If you desire short pull and fast short reset Glock wins.

If you want a smooth long truly safe (not safe action) like a revolver then Kahr takes the lead.

Depends on the user and the application.

To me the Kahr is very forgiving in a stress situation. You can get away without much practice or protocol.

With glock using the simple mantra, keep your finger off the trigger all is good, but not a lot of movement needed before you send lead down range.

Ironically I used to be a little hesitant of 1911's, c0cked and locked was a little concerning. I carried a Glock without thought.

A detective one day spelled it out for me and I had an ah ha moment.

Don't touch the trigger and the gun don't fire. With a 1911 you got some safeties in there for extra insurance.

Now I carry a 1911 without thought with a PM45 on my ankle. I'm more concerned about the Glock.
I have a 21 in my nightstand with a light. I bought it mostly cause the officers at work carry them and I wanted to have one to play with, good idea since I'm the armorer I reckon.
Now they issued me one so guess I should sell mine. Had it out last night wiping the dust off it but put it back, Guess it don't hurt to have a hi cap gun on hand.

Course I got a 14 round Para LDA so two I guess ain't bad either.

[TheLastDaze]

does anyone know if the cm9 and the pm9 are exactly the same size?? I know the barrels and etching is different, just curious about size... maybe I'm confusing it with a cw or another model??

not that well versed on kahr I must admit...

[GenericUsername]

PM9 and CM9 are effectively the same gun with a few chances. CW9 and P9 are effectively the same gun with a few changes. CM/PM are the 6-rounders while the CW/P are the 7-rounders.

[SGT405]

does anyone know if the cm9 and the pm9 are exactly the same size?? I know the barrels and etching is different, just curious about size... maybe I'm confusing it with a cw or another model??

not that well versed on kahr I must admit...

Same gun basically. CM is the "value series". Priced less than the PM. CM's do not have a dovetailed front sight, have standard rifling vs polygonal in the PM. PM's also have more machining on the slide and lettering. Basically same size though. I have a CM9 for pocket carry and I am very satisfied with it.

I also have a Glock19 and 42 so I am not a basher. Remember, ever since Glock came out in the early 1980s with the 17, they like any maker had problems. They refused to call theirs recalls. They are "upgrades". Ruger had problems with the LCP series, S&W did with the Bodyguard too. My point is anything made by man can be flawed. Human nature is such that you will hear far more people who complain than those who are satisfied.

Be safe

[muggsy]

thanks for the responses so far... I really anticipated putting on my flame suit before I checked this thread.....

If you want to be flamed go over to Glock Talk and make the same kind of entrance. I would have flamed you, but I thought that was what you were looking for and I wasn't about to oblige. Besides, I promised Bawanna that I'd try to be on my best behavior. I thought that you were being an a-hole from the start. (Insert smiley face here,) Welcome aboard.

[TheLastDaze]

Yeah I know Id be flamed there, people all want to argue.. havent really participated there in years now.. I know my first post seemed confrontational and rightfully so, I'm a little disturbed that a manufacturer can have such a sweet product yet simply ignore the flaws in design.. another peeve is why does the mag not sit flush?? Design flaw?? Not here to argue just want your answers and really dont want someone to justify kahr because they spent so much money on a gun they feel the need to back up their decision.. I don't understand a 'break in ' period, maybe the wolffe recoil is to stout? All I know is Ive never owned a quality gun that has required such madness.. maybe if jennings, davis, bryco and the others asked much more money for their one shot wonders they'd have a fan base??

[b4uqzme]

Yeah I know Id be flamed there, people all want to argue.. havent really participated there in years now.. I know my first post seemed confrontational and rightfully so, I'm a little disturbed that a manufacturer can have such a sweet product yet simply ignore the flaws in design.. another peeve is why does the mag not sit flush?? Design flaw?? ...

They really aren't design flaws because YOU say so. The mag is designed to make it easier to bump in place and to make it easier to extract if it ever hangs up. It's a design FEATURE.

[b4uqzme]

....Not here to argue just want your answers and really dont want someone to justify kahr because they spent so much money on a gun they feel the need to back up their decision.. I don't understand a 'break in ' period, maybe the wolffe recoil is to stout? All I know is Ive never owned a quality gun that has required such madness.. maybe if jennings, davis, bryco and the others asked much more money for their one shot wonders they'd have a fan base??

I believe you are...but it's a free country.

[TheLastDaze]

I'm not referring to the mag as a design flaw I'm referring to its 'break in' and simply the neglect to address hang up issues etc.. If I didn't hand load I'd be spending $17box for .380 and times that by 4 just to break in a gun that should run from the factory....

I simply asked a question as to the magazine, seems to me to be flawed as it looks out of place somehow....

if I bought a Ferrari I'd expect it to run like a dream, sure I'd take it easy at first and treat it with love but if it sputtered and died all the time during 'break in' period I'd be pretty pissed.. and if asked "how do you like the ferrari?" I most likely wouldn't tell them it ran like crap as I'd look like an idiot for spending so much on something that doesn't work but looks cool, instead I'd probably answer "its okay".... looks good from the shop anyway....

[berettabone]

I'm not referring to the mag as a design flaw I'm referring to its 'break in' and simply the neglect to address hang up issues etc.. If I didn't hand load I'd be spending $17box for .380 and times that by 4 just to break in a gun that should run from the factory....

I simply asked a question as to the magazine, seems to me to be flawed as it looks out of place somehow....

if I bought a Ferrari I'd expect it to run like a dream, sure I'd take it easy at first and treat it with love but if it sputtered and died all the time during 'break in' period I'd be pretty pissed.. and if asked "how do you like the ferrari?" I most likely wouldn't tell them it ran like crap as I'd look like an idiot for spending so much on something that doesn't work but looks cool, instead I'd probably answer "its okay".... looks good from the shop anyway....

Why do people constantly ***** about a break in? You're going to shoot it anyway, aren't you????????????????

[TheLastDaze]

They really aren't design flaws because YOU say so. The mag is designed to make it easier to bump in place and to make it easier to extract if it ever hangs up. It's a design FEATURE.

not because I said it absolutely not, but it bugs me... I'm sure they could have engineered a poly interchangeable floor plate, some with finger ext, etc... even their larger mags just seem out of place, the base is cut at a weird angle and looks installed backwards or something..

you call it a feature?? that's fine, not sure how having a mag that looks like its out of place and perhaps out of another gun is a feature, not sure how it aids in 'tapping' the mag or a drop drill, anyway different then a flush mag that looks like it fits would....

you can justify it all you want I'm just asking from a newbie, distant lurker standpoint, that has admired Kahr for many years from a distance, why maybe its because people always said they were solid built... I have no personal experience and that's why I'm here....