Does Kahr suck that bad??

[marshal kane]

I'm on my first Kahr, I bought a new P9 with night sights. When I handled it in the gun store, I really liked the fit of it in my hand, the heft, and the smooth trigger. I would rate it a 99.5/100 fresh out of the box because during break-in, occasionally a round would fail to chamber. On examining the spent cases, I found score marks on the sides of the case which indicated rough interior feed lips in the magazines causing the slide to drag. A few minutes on each magazine with a burnishing tool fixed that. My second range session with it, all magazines fed perfectly and no reliability problems at all. At the 600 round mark, my confidence in my Kahr returned and now I would rate my P9 a 100/100. While rare that a new gun would malfunction, I have run across two new Smith & Wessons over the years that needed to be sent back to the factory so I realize that things like this may happen. I'm sure many of the Kahr owners here have had no problems at all during their break-in period.

If you are serious about purchasing a Kahr, I would suggest you get a new one that comes with the factory warranty. You may be lucky purchasing a used Kahr and then you may not. It's unlikely that your gun store clerk will tell you why the previous owner traded the gun in. Just my dos centavos, your choice.

[TheLastDaze]

If you are serious about purchasing a Kahr, I would suggest you get a new one that comes with the factory warranty. You may be lucky purchasing a used Kahr and then you may not. It's unlikely that your gun store clerk will tell you why the previous owner traded the gun in. Just my dos centavos, your choice.

I'm dead serious... as I said I'm going for the 9 now... I'm going to buy the newer LCP and match it against my old one and decide which one to keep, I may not like the new trigger/sights who knows?? but I also want a narrower gun then my glocks, as everyone knows sometimes its hard to carry a large caliber/capacity... enter the LCP (enter your choice 380 here) for summer shorts, flip flops etc...but there are times I'd like to carry a thin/light 9mm discretely... enter the kahr pm-cm9....

I'm going to give Kahr a try and have decided to buy a cm9 new, or a pm9 used... right now looks like you get a free mag with purchase of a new gun...

if I do have trouble with gun (highly doubtful) I will not PAY to have it sent to factory, period, under any circumstances..

[Flieger]

I believe you would be hard pressed to find a firearms company that has not had problems with new introductions. Kimber with their Solo and Ruger wither their LCP. While you have had great luck with your LCP, I was one of the unfortunate ones that bought one when they first came out.
Long story short, no matter what I did to treak it, I couldn't get anything including FMJ to feed pass 3 rounds. Then of course there was the LCP recall and after numerous weeks of waiting, it came back with a sticker on the side, but I would not bet my life on it.

Remington is currently going through hell with their new 51. It seems growning pains happen to the best and the worse, but even new models with Cars not just Kahrs.

What I object to is the way in which a company decides to handle the problem. A brand new under warranty firearm should not cost the owner a dime to return it for service.

No matter how good the product is, if the service is bad, my money goes to the company that respects my business.

[skiflydive]

I bought a new CM9 a couple of years ago. Other than 5 (operator induced?) failures in the first 150 rounds it's fired perfectly. It did break a follower but Kahr immediately sent me 2 no charge. I haven't had a problem since. I bought a used P380 from this forum a year ago and it's been flawless - even shooting commercial reloads. I'd buy either model again without another thought.

Re: break in. I just bought a new mountain bike. A good, expensive one...more than either of my Kahrs. For the money you'd expect it to be perfect "out of the box." Did I go flying down the hills on my local trails? Heck no...that would be putting my life in danger. I knew it would take a few rides to make sure it was perfect and indeed it took a little tweeking/cleaning/lubing and 60-70 miles of good riding. It's the same reason I didn't buy my first Kahr and immediately make it my carry gun. I needed to learn it, shoot it, take it apart and reassemble it etc. Whether a gun manufacturer recommends a break in or not it would be stupid (IMHO) to take a gun out of the box and stuff it in your holster. I think even Glock fanboyz run some rounds through them first just to make sure even though they know they could fire a gozillion rounds through it with no attention whatsoever

[b4uqzme]

if I bought a Ferrari I'd expect it to run like a dream, sure I'd take it easy at first and treat it with love but if it sputtered and died all the time during 'break in' period I'd be pretty pissed.. and if asked "how do you like the ferrari?" I most likely wouldn't tell them it ran like crap as I'd look like an idiot for spending so much on something that doesn't work but looks cool, instead I'd probably answer "its okay".... looks good from the shop anyway....

It appears you've never owned a Ferrari either. ;-). I'm not bashing. That was just a bad example. Ferrari's are expensive, highly precisioned machines...that break ALL the time.

[deadeye]

Their are only 2 kinds of machines produced. Those that break and those that are going to. My CM9 has been flawless for a long time. Is it going to break some day? Sure it will. (like gravity, Murphy's Law reigns supreme.) When it breaks I will fix it.

[TeaDub]

The "break-in" for my new Kahr consisted of cleaning it, lubing it, shooting it......rinse and repeat. No issues.

I went with the CW380. I shot a used one side by side with a gen2 LCP. The Kahr was more accurate and much more comfortable to shoot. That's just me, however.

[muggsy]

I'm not referring to the mag as a design flaw I'm referring to its 'break in' and simply the neglect to address hang up issues etc.. If I didn't hand load I'd be spending $17box for .380 and times that by 4 just to break in a gun that should run from the factory....

I simply asked a question as to the magazine, seems to me to be flawed as it looks out of place somehow....

if I bought a Ferrari I'd expect it to run like a dream, sure I'd take it easy at first and treat it with love but if it sputtered and died all the time during 'break in' period I'd be pretty pissed.. and if asked "how do you like the ferrari?" I most likely wouldn't tell them it ran like crap as I'd look like an idiot for spending so much on something that doesn't work but looks cool, instead I'd probably answer "its okay".... looks good from the shop anyway....

In reality every gun requires a break in period. Kahr is the only manufacturer that's honest enough to tell you that up front. A man would have to have a screw loose to carry an unproven gun. Even a Glock can malfunction straight from the factory. Most kahr pistols function flawlessly from the start. A few don't and some of those can be directly attributed to shooter error. When you get a new Kahr pistol it is very tight. After 200 rounds the parts marry quite well. Even you and your old lady enjoyed a honeymoon period. Like my old pal Jocko is fond of saying, "Just shoot that fokker like you stole it."

[O'Dell]

I'm with you Dub. I've never had a failure during the break in of any of my Kahrs either, although they are a bit hard to rack at first. I was given an LCP by my son so I won't get rid of it, however, I always past on it and carry my PM9 if I need a pocket pistol. For me the LCP is the most uncomfortable gun I've ever shot and has the worst trigger known to man. That's saying something because I once owned a KT P11.

[Bawanna]

How very manly of you to admit that. Go ahead and take the paper sack off your head now, the closet door is open and the whole world knows you owned a KTP11.

Hold your head up.

[TheLastDaze]

I believe you would be hard pressed to find a firearms company that has not had problems with new introductions. Kimber with their Solo and Ruger wither their LCP. While you have had great luck with your LCP, I was one of the unfortunate ones that bought one when they first came out.
the early lcp's had a safety recall, there probably has been a million sold and you rarely hear bad press,other than the trigger.. sorry you bought the recall LCP

No matter how good the product is, if the service is bad, my money goes to the company that respects my business.

couldn't agree more... CS is number one!! there is far to much competition with the interlubes nowadays to provide bad customer support

I bought a new CM9 a couple of years ago. Other than 5 (operator induced?) failures in the first 150 rounds it's fired perfectly. It did break a follower but Kahr immediately sent me 2 no charge. I haven't had a problem since. I bought a used P380 from this forum a year ago and it's been flawless - even shooting commercial reloads. I'd buy either model again without another thought.

Re: break in. I just bought a new mountain bike. A good, expensive one...more than either of my Kahrs. For the money you'd expect it to be perfect "out of the box." Did I go flying down the hills on my local trails? Heck no...that would be putting my life in danger. I knew it would take a few rides to make sure it was perfect and indeed it took a little tweeking/cleaning/lubing and 60-70 miles of good riding. It's the same reason I didn't buy my first Kahr and immediately make it my carry gun. I needed to learn it, shoot it, take it apart and reassemble it etc. Whether a gun manufacturer recommends a break in or not it would be stupid (IMHO) to take a gun out of the box and stuff it in your holster. I think even Glock fanboyz run some rounds through them first just to make sure even though they know they could fire a gozillion rounds through it with no attention whatsoever

agreed... Wife bought my LCP from her dad who carried it everyday and had never shot it !!!! I always make it a point to field strip, clean factory grease/lube off, and lube the way I like it.. I won't carry a gun without several hundred rounds and a lot of dry trigger time....

It appears you've never owned a Ferrari either. ;-). I'm not bashing. That was just a bad example. Ferrari's are expensive, highly precisioned machines...that break ALL the time.

LOL, but I thought it was a good example as Kahr's look really sexy for a straight forward gun... sooo

The "break-in" for my new Kahr consisted of cleaning it, lubing it, shooting it......rinse and repeat. No issues.

I went with the CW380. I shot a used one side by side with a gen2 LCP. The Kahr was more accurate and much more comfortable to shoot. That's just me, however.

yeah if you fire other options next to the LCP its trigger does suck even worse then if you just shot it by itself... I took it out today and put around 150rds through it, I sighted in my sr22 first as it needed a small tweak on windage, after that shot the LCP I like to shoot the LCP first so the trigger won't be as noticeable after shooting glocks all day... then I moved on to a destruction test with my gen4 19

In reality every gun requires a break in period. Kahr is the only manufacturer that's honest enough to tell you that up front. A man would have to have a screw loose to carry an unproven gun. Even a Glock can malfunction straight from the factory. Most kahr pistols function flawlessly from the start. A few don't and some of those can be directly attributed to shooter error. When you get a new Kahr pistol it is very tight. After 200 rounds the parts marry quite well. Even you and your old lady enjoyed a honeymoon period. Like my old pal Jocko is fond of saying, "Just shoot that fokker like you stole it."

well said, good info right there, and yes Kahr is upfront about it, I just to want to cycle every round by hand..... I don't mind dumping ammo through it as I handload, but if I didn't it would hurt me just a little more in the pocket book

I'm with you Dub. I've never had a failure during the break in of any of my Kahrs either, although they are a bit hard to rack at first. I was given an LCP by my son so I won't get rid of it, however, I always past on it and carry my PM9 if I need a pocket pistol. For me the LCP is the most uncomfortable gun I've ever shot and has the worst trigger known to man. That's saying something because I once owned a KT P11.

Good to know, hopefully I won't with mine when I get it.. I really do like my little mouse gun it only weighs 8.8oz with an empty mag, not sure how that works out as ruger says 9.4oz but my scale is calibrated and I have two ... to me its about ultralite, I'm used to the trigger and absolutely love the gun and have never had a problem with it whatsoever.. after time at the range today and some reflection I've decided I won't get the new LCP for comparison.. But I do plan on buying a kahr and I will be comparing it to my wifes lc9s (when I can actually pick one up reasonable)...

[TheLastDaze]

Which one of you reprobates out bid me on the pm9 ?? Oh well $30 shipping was steep anyway. Maybe Ill buy a new cm onslicks for 325 shipped, anyone know a better deal??

[Bawanna]

Reprobate? Is Jocko back? Or is he talking about Muggsy?


I DIDN'T DO IT!!!

[yqtszhj]

Now they issued me one so guess I should sell mine. Had it out last night wiping the dust off it but put it back, Guess it don't hurt to have a hi cap gun on hand.
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Dang, how did you manage that? Is it a 21? Gen 3 or 4? The violets promoted you didnt they.

[Rob K]

My CM9 goes bang, accurately, every time I pull that smooth trigger.