Does Kahr suck that bad??

[Tomorray]

P380 owner here; I've had no issues whatsoever with several brands of ammo. Granted, I haven't put very many rounds down range yet, mostly because finding ammo for it is challenging, to say the least, but so far, so good.

[TheLastDaze]

Okay after browsing the forum here I see lots of people with questions/problems about their Kahrs failing and what do I do to get them running?? etc, etc........

THIS is the reason for my first post being so inflammatory, there is ZERO reason a QUALITY firearm should need some lovin, it should run out of the box, no questions...

I'm reading of people who actually carry their gun even though its "finicky", and are really trying to get it to work out for them, and it should after what they spent...

BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: I've wanted a Kahr PM9 or similar since they came out, the price tag kept me from buying one.... I would admire Kahr from afar but never cared to read about them, watch videos about them etc, no HUGE interest as I have others that fill the bill... BUT, what got me fired up about Kahr is the P380 as I wanted another 380 to go with elsiepea, something for the pocket not like the old walther I used to have many years ago but a real mouse gun... I started my search, and WOW there is more negative on Kahr then on Taurus... I still wanted one though so I joined here to see what others have to say, I really want to like Kahr as they have two products Glock simply doesn't know how to make or something, that's the PM9 and P380 other then those two guns I haven't seen anything else that sparks my interest, who knows maybe down the road we'll see...

BUT if my Kahr PM9 that I have on its way doesn't function and I have a temperamental gun that will only run such and such ammo and it won't eat my handloads like everything else I own, I will try and tweak it and if I can't get it to run right there's no reason to play patty cake with the factory I will simply ditch the gun and not look back....

I'm hopeful here guys as the gun I bought came with 7 mags, that tells me someone liked to shoot

[Hawkeye911]

I love the guns I have selected and worked into my "stable" over the past 40(!) years. If I didn't love them, they are long gone. I bought a CM9 when concealed carry finally came to our state, and was so, SO impressed by it that I purchased a CW380 within a couple weeks when I saw a great sale on it. I am so, SO impressed by it, as well, that I have to say these have become two of my very favorite guns... and I'm grateful own some really nice ones!

The Kahrs have impressed me with design, quality, functionality, and "carry-ability." I have one of the two on me every time I leave the confines of my home. Out of 500 or so rounds shot for practice (or fun), I have exactly two failures to eject- one on the second magazine I ever shot from the CM9, the other from the first magazine from the CW380! I consider these two weapons to be dependable, trustworthy, and EXCELLENT. I intend own them until my heirs take possession.

Guns are "different strokes for different folks," but in many ways, and for specific purposes, I like these better than my Spingfields, Rugers, Dan Wesson, Taurus, and S&Ws... all excellent guns in their own right.

I should go back to verify, but I think you posted initially about liking the Ruger LCP. I have 5 Ruger firearms that I really like, but would have NO interest in the LCP after handling it. It's not for me. If you gave me yours, I would ask if I could sell it and put the money toward a Kahr!

I only really know one thing about guns... YMMV. We all have different likes, physical traits, needs, and idiosyncrasies, and only YOU can decide what's best for YOU. Since you asked pages ago, though, Kahrs do NOT suck, I love mine, and they will be my primary self defense weapons for a long time to come.

Best wish in your search!

[WLEEP]

Daze, welcome!

I have three Kahrs (P9C, CM9 and CW 380 and they've all been flawless with one exception.

That said, it seems a high majority of gun problems are with ammo and magazines. I bought three boxes of PMC at a gun show last winter and it was a disaster for my CW 380, FTF, FTE, FTRB, the whole nine yards. Mind you, I'd had no trouble for the first two hundred rounds before this. Bailed on the PMC after the first four mags and returned to Winchester White box, 380s from LGS which has the county sheriffs ammo contract and Precision One, my carry ammo and have not had a problem since. I think the vendor at the gun show stuffed a bunch of reloads in used boxes because after the problem and closer exam, the boxes looked a little beat up.

I realize everyone's experience is different but I carry my CM9 and CW 380 with complete confidence.

Suggest you stay check out ARMSLIST and see if you can find something in your area for sale where you could meet seller at local gun range and try before you buy. I've done this with about five guns and it has worked out great.

Anyway, good luck to you sir.
bp

[O'Dell]

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THIS is the reason for my first post being so inflammatory, there is ZERO reason a QUALITY firearm should need some lovin, it should run out of the box, no questions...
period.


.I started my search, and WOW there is more negative on Kahr then on Taurus... .

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I would never trust any new pistol right out of the box, I don't care who built it. Over 45 years of shooting, I have had too many guns from supposively quality companies fail from lack of preparation. I ALWAYS clean, lube, and inspect a new pistol before firing, period.

That statement is hard to swallow. I have had seven Kahrs and all worked from the first shot and none ever went back to the factory. I have owned three Tauruses. One was fine after I prep'ed it, but the other two never worked even after the factory tried to fix them.

To be honest, I'm getting rather tired of you!

[TheLastDaze]

P380 owner here; I've had no issues whatsoever with several brands of ammo. Granted, I haven't put very many rounds down range yet, mostly because finding ammo for it is challenging, to say the least, but so far, so good.

yeah that's the bad thing about 380 nowadays, not only has it gone up in price dramatically but its slim availability

I love the guns I have selected and worked into my "stable" over the past 40(!) years. If I didn't love them, they are long gone. I bought a CM9 when concealed carry finally came to our state, and was so, SO impressed by it that I purchased a CW380 within a couple weeks when I saw a great sale on it. I am so, SO impressed by it, as well, that I have to say these have become two of my very favorite guns... and I'm grateful own some really nice ones!

The Kahrs have impressed me with design, quality, functionality, and "carry-ability." I have one of the two on me every time I leave the confines of my home. Out of 500 or so rounds shot for practice (or fun), I have exactly two failures to eject- one on the second magazine I ever shot from the CM9, the other from the first magazine from the CW380! I consider these two weapons to be dependable, trustworthy, and EXCELLENT. I intend own them until my heirs take possession.

Thanks you touched on a lot of valid points, guns tend to come and go don't they? I have some that won't go anywhere, one I learned to shoot on when I was 7 the others have just made it into the stable for good as you describe..

Daze, welcome!

I have three Kahrs (P9C, CM9 and CW 380 and they've all been flawless with one exception.

That said, it seems a high majority of gun problems are with ammo and magazines. I bought three boxes of PMC at a gun show last winter and it was a disaster for my CW 380, FTF, FTE, FTRB, the whole nine yards. Mind you, I'd had no trouble for the first two hundred rounds before this. Bailed on the PMC after the first four mags and returned to Winchester White box, 380s from LGS which has the county sheriffs ammo contract and Precision One, my carry ammo and have not had a problem since. I think the vendor at the gun show stuffed a bunch of reloads in used boxes because after the problem and closer exam, the boxes looked a little beat up.
Anyway, good luck to you sir.
bp

appreciate it.. and from what I've read pmc isn't kind for some reason or another, maybe slightly larger brass dunno.. Never thought about that one at gun shows, I'd hate to think someone would do that but can see the possibility and it would be a money maker for sure...

I would never trust any new pistol right out of the box, I don't care who built it. Over 45 years of shooting, I have had too many guns from supposively quality companies fail from lack of preparation. I ALWAYS clean, lube, and inspect a new pistol before firing, period.
To be honest, I'm getting rather tired of you!

I never have put any trust in any pistol unless I dump a gob of ammo in it, and have it out several times, and much dry time with it as well.. I do the same thing, field strip wipe dry or clean as necessary and add my own lube, mobil 1 vtwin...

thanks for the warm welcome I think I've made some valid points, and while I've admittedly declared in other threads as well as this one I could have made a better entrance, and you're that easy to make upset and get sick and tired of someone I pity you...

[Bawanna]

One of the things, maybe even the most important thing that keeps our little oasis happy, happy, happy around here is not getting personal, except to Jocko and Muggsy of course.

Lets try to keep that in mind. Hearing negatives gets old, as we've stated a few million times, people don't get on forums to sing the praises and if one does your accused of being a kool aid drinking ride for the brand kind of guy.
Many of us here are just that. Most of us here also are not single brand advocates though either.

I have no doubt your gonna get along fine with that PM9 Lastdaze and you'll be coming over to the dark side too.

[TheLastDaze]

haahaa.. well spoken, who knows I may come over to the darkside but will always ride the fence as Glocks koolaid keeps me cool during the day

funny thing is I've been looking at the cw380 (again) just in case.... I even emailed the guy who I spoke of that sold me the Lehigh and Fiocchi 380, asked him if he wants to dump the gun I may give it a chance if the price is right, also offered to try and fix it for him for free just so I can compare it with my elsie... we'll see what happens, but right now I'm tapped out bigtime as I've bought around 4 firearms in the last couple months, but I may fund something selling other stuff so I can keep the wife happy, happy, happy....

[yqtszhj]

THIS is the reason for my first post being so inflammatory, there is ZERO reason a QUALITY firearm should need some lovin, it should run out of the box, no questions...

Don't buy a $1000 Kimber then.

Let us know how your pm9 on the way runs. I think I would be safe to say that the 9mm kahrs are the flagship product so you should be fine.

[b4uqzme]

don't buy a $1000 kimber then.
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^^^^ +1000. ;-)

[TheLastDaze]

anxiously waiting, should be end of next week I hope... like I said I definitely keep you guys in the loop and do a review of sorts on it... I have a lot of handloads itching to get at it....

[O'Dell]

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thanks for the warm welcome I think I've made some valid points, and while I've admittedly declared in other threads as well as this one I could have made a better entrance, and you're that easy to make upset and get sick and tired of someone I pity you...

You claim that you came here looking for help and/or advice. Over 70 posts, members with literally hundreds of years of collective Kahr knowledge have tried to provide just that and share their experiences. however, I see no evidence that you listened to any of it. Your last posts seem little different than your first. I hope I'm not around when you decide to make a really major purchase instead of a $400 pistol.

Save your pity for someone who cares!



Sorry, Bawanna. I don't have your diplomacy.

[b4uqzme]

THIS is the reason for my first post being so inflammatory, there is ZERO reason a QUALITY firearm should need some lovin, it should run out of the box, no questions...

I'm reading of people who actually carry their gun even though its "finicky", and are really trying to get it to work out for them, and it should after what they spent...

I'll confess that I always find the above comments irksome. Nothing against you TLD, I've heard them before. A Ferrari demands plenty of lovin' compared to, say, a Toyota. The Toyota is uber reliable. So what makes the Ferrari cost over ten times more? I suspect there is something more to quality than just reliability. I kinda feel the same about Glocks. They are reliable. I'll give you that. But they in no way are the benchmark for quality.

You've taken the leap of faith and ordered your Kahr. I understand you had to overcome a lot of negative press. We all did. But we've been there and done that and we know that the leap is worthwhile. And sometimes you have to apply a little "lovin". But that's worthwhile too if you have the patience. I am looking forward to the chance to say "I told you so".

Good luck.

[b4uqzme]

... I have a lot of handloads itching to get at it....

FWIW. I urge you to heed the Kahr manual and my friendly advice: save your handloads for after the break-in. Nothing against them. It's just easier to troubleshoot (if necessary) when you can eliminate that variable. Use the best quality FMJ ammo you can find.

[TheLastDaze]

@b4uqzme

I hear ya... and also its a used gun... I'm a tinkerer and don't mind messing with something to a point, as long as its quirks get worked out after I do all I can... I bought a Lee Pro 1000 for crying out loud, been a great press, saved a ton over a dillon and I simply modded it here and there and it purrs...yeah ferrari was a bad exp.. you'll let me live it down someday I'm sure..