Profiled at MO Conservation range

[Nytcrawler93]

I certainly do not tolerate anyone going through my crap without permission. Period.


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[CJB]

Well for what its worth, I got questioned by "....some people...." who were damn near instantly recognizable in their "plain clothes".

Pssssst. Nobody wears nylon windbreakers and turtle neck tees with plaid pants, AND... thick solded black shoes!!!

And, I didn't do it. Nobody talks, everybody walks!

[yqtszhj]

You know I have this role play in my head when I comes to CJB being profiled. Imagine it with me if you can, it goes something like this:
CJB, deeply embedded in the Florida swampland, takes to his coolest "assault" toys to the range. Lays them out on the bench. Someone get's paranoid and calls the local overly ambitious LE. CJB stays cool and answers in his politest tone. Dialog goes something like this:

Officer: Excuse me, I need to talk to you for a moment.
CJB: OK.
Officer: What are you shooting?
CJB: My guns.
Officer: I mean what type are those and why do you need them?
CJB: They're all legal, I have papers to prove it, and because I have the right too.
Officer: What do you use them for?
CJB: Whatever I may need to use them for at the time.
Officer: Is that your ammo?
CJB: Yes.
Officer: What have you loaded those rounds with?
CJB: Bullets
Officer: I mean what kind.
CJB: It's LC Brass that I have polished to a pristine shine. I have resized the cases and trimmed the neck by .0005 inches and have reduced the powder load by 1.5 gr. because I get the best velocity at 100 yards and groups that cloverleaf with a maximum group of .35246 inches.
Officer: What?
CJB: Full metal jacket.
Officer: OK. Is that your range bag?
CJB: Yes.
Officer: Can I look in it?
CJB: No.
Officer: Why not?
CJB: Because it's mine.
Officer: Do you have something to hide?
CJB: No
Officer: Then can I look in it?
CJB: No.
Officer: Why?
CJB: Because it's mine and you have no reason.
Officer: I could get a warrant.
CJB: Not likely because you don't have probable cause but if you would like to try feel free.
Officer: Wait here, I'll be right back. (Officer steps away, makes a phone call, and comes back.)
Officer: Can I look in your bag?
CJB: No.
Officer: Why not?
CJB: Because it's mine.
Now the officers HEAVY female supervisor with a USMC haircut and combat boots pulls up. She gets out of the car and makes her way to CJB and the officer.
Supervisor: Good afternoon sir. Officer, is this the gentleman in question?
Officer: Yes.
Supervisor: Mr. CJB, can we look in your bag?
CJB: No
Supervisor: Why not
CJB: I already told the other guy because it's mine.
Supervisor: Please step over this way.
CJB: I can't.
Supervisor: Why not?
CJB: All my weapons are on the bench and it would not be wise to leave them here unattended as I know the kind of people around here.
Suprevisor then instructs the officer to stand guard over CJB's guns while CJB and the supervisor step away.
Supervisor: Mr. CJB, do you have a gun in your pocket?
CJB: Yes.
Supervisor: Well for my safety I need to remove your gun while we are talking. Please raise your arms straight out.
CJB then raises his arms and supervisor struggles and tries to get the pistol out of his pocket.
CJB: Officer, I have some jewels down there I would like to keep so would you use caution when removing the pistol?
Supervisor: I have everything under control. (She finally get's the pistol out and CJB for a moment breathes a sigh of relief)
Supervisor: Is this pistol loaded?
CJB: Yes
Supervisor: Why do you keep it loaded?
CJB: Because an empty pistol wouldn't do much good, would it?
Supervisor removes the mag and tries to rack the slide to empty the chamber. She can't do it plus she has her finger in the trigger while trying.
CJB: For my safety, your safety, and those around us would you like me to do that for you?
Supervisor: No. Just don't touch the gun while we are talking. (she gives up and places the pistol on the table.)
Supervisor: What are you doing here today?
CJB: Shooting my guns, not bothering anyone, and being annoyed for no good reason by local LE.
Supervisor: (She gives CJB a good look over) Mr. CJB, do you ride a motorcycle?
CJB: Yes
Supervisor: Why?
CJB: Because I like motorcycles.
Supervisor: Don't you get hot in the Florida sun wearing black shirts?
CJB: Well, it's like this. Bikers are easy to satisfy, give us a pair of jeans, some black tee shirts, and we're good to go. Kind of like a lesbian, give her a flannel shirt and a pair of work boots and her wardrobe is finished. (Don't forget the female supervisor description above.)
Supervisor: What is that suppose to mean?
CJB: Nothing, just stating an observation.
Supervisor: (Supervisor then gets a mad/frustrated look on her face) Sir, You're free to go.

CJB picks up his PM45, puts the mag back in, and places the pistol in his pocket. CJB then goes over to the bench, picks up his weapons, and leaves because half his day was wasted.

On the way out CJB sees the bomb squad van with camera at the entrance. He pulls up and then backs up where the camera can get his plate number. He then gets out, goes and leans against the back of the vehicle, and begins watching the second had of the fine quality time piece he is wearing. After 60 seconds CBJ yells at the van, "Did you get it?" The occupants of the van give CJB a scowl, CJB gives them a thumbs up, and then leaves.

Can anyone else see that happening?

[CJB]

That scenario is about right!

You know I got "road way checked" up outside of Deltona/Sandord along Rt 46..... it was FHP, Volusia County and DHS conducting some sort of joint effort. They basically set up a checkpoint, and were asking to search vehicles, running license info, being aholes. I think they must of had a dozen cars pulled over, and every time one left, they pulled another over to fill the gap.

They tried to spoof me with the "we don't need a warrant' (then why ask?)
They tried to spoof me with the "the dog hit positive on your truck" (then you'd be inside, not talking to me!)
And of course the "what do you have to hide" (everything!)

The best part of that.... and I wish this was BS because it shines non to lightly on the Volusia County guy, but... they did disarm me of my PM45, the Deputy dropping the magazine, and laying the pistol and mag on hood of my old Ranger. When it was time to go, he handed me the magazine, told me to put it in the glove box before he would hand me the pistol. I did. I didn't have to heart to tell him he didn't clear the chamber, and he didn't point it at me (but did at himself... oh well). I support the police. They do a thankless job. Sometimes there is a reason its thankless... jeeze.

I call the two "....persons..." who have taken an interest the Mod Squad. I'd probably have respect if they showed in jeans, t-shirts and sneakers. As it is, I'm reminded of "Sherman, set The Wayback Machine to June 1967....".

[marcinstl]

ah now, local law enforcement is trying to spend the taxpayers dollars wisely and make sure there's no bag guys on the loose. cops these days don't want to be like Andy Taylor or Barney fife, probably want to be more like Jack Bauer. after Ferguson and Baltimore, "thug" looking blacks are on the LE radar. after the Biker shootout in Texas, bikers are on the radar. after Charleston, I guess Glock 41 shooters are on the radar.
so far, fat, bald headed guys pushing 70 are not on the radar. be under the radar, be nice, don't chew and don't go with girls that do.

[muggsy]

Hey, I resemble that last remark, Marc!

[CJB]

Ya know, thinkin' on it some. You got one thing wrong.

Officer: Excuse me, I need to talk to you for a moment.
CJB: OK

My answer would be "Sorry, I don't wish to talk with you" and I'd have resumed by business.

[yqtszhj]

Ya know, thinkin' on it some. You got one thing wrong.



My answer would be "Sorry, I don't wish to talk with you" and I'd have resumed by business.

Yeah you're right. I figured you had the lesbian supervisor interaction all planned out just for the entertainment value was the only reason you agreed...

[diablo53]

Poor range etiquette, just grabbing a person's ammo like that. Don't touch my stuff.

No kidding, you don't walk up and pick up property of a man who holding a loaded gun without asking permission first- if at all!!

[Baklash]

No kidding, you don't walk up and pick up property of a man who holding a loaded gun without asking permission first- if at all!!

I don't walk up and pick up the property of a man without asking permission first, gun or no gun.

[marcinstl]

I was at the range yesterday morning, first customer. 2 guys show up and they're buddy shooting, taking turns in the same lane (cheap or gay? hmmm?). then another guy shows up(70+ black guy) and he's shooting a SR22. when the old black guy stops to sit on the bench and reload the 2 older white guys come over and the conversating* begins. the old black guy says that .22 is the only thing he can afford to shoot, but just for grins, pulls his 2, 9mm pistols out of the bag to wave around. one of the white guys says, "I got one of those" and returns with his new tan cerakoted Jimenez 9mm(very desert tactical looking). without getting shot, I left. now, there's signs all over about no guns on the benches, guns must be in the booth, pointed down range. guy at the check in desk gives a short speech about all this.
if a shooter at a range becomes "afraid for his life" because some idiot is breaking all the range rules and pointing a loaded gun at him, can he defend himself and "stop the threat"?
*converstating-- St.Louis slang as in, "we bees conversatin'".

[CJB]

Learn somethin' every day. I thought conversating was when you was wearin' your Chucky Taylors.... WTF do I know, I'm just an old fat white guy.

[marcinstl]

"I'm just an old fat white guy."
yeah, but are you bald? how many guns do you carry? still having fun?

[CJB]

Not bald. Usually carry two plus two auto knives. No fun in Mudville.