More than 100 feared dead

[JohnR]

Because Europe let this slowly simmer for decades, in the face of common sense telling us it was suicidal. They've just about run out of other people's money, they've abandoned religion, and welcomed immigrants who will never assimilate and intended all along to take over. There is no comparison to Oklahoma City.

[Handy]

Because Europe let this slowly simmer for decades, in the face of common sense telling us it was suicidal. They've just about run out of other people's money, they've abandoned religion, and welcomed immigrants who will never assimilate and intended all along to take over. There is no comparison to Oklahoma City.

Oklahoma City and Aurora are examples of how equally ineffective Americans are against such attacks.

As for European policies, I don't see the distinctions your making between our long-standing immigration policies and theirs, or our their economy and ours. Did China suddenly not own trillions in US debt? Has the per capita GDP of the US not been in decline for something like 40 years?


Europe has lived through much more terrorism than the US has.

[gb6491]

I'd like to remind members that personal attacks are not permitted on this forum.

[Longitude Zero]

Did China suddenly not own trillions in US debt? Has the per capita GDP of the US not been in decline for something like 40 years.

These two situations have ZERO to do with the French attacks and as far as terrorism they also have ZERO correlation. Aurora could have been lessened if not for the inane and ignorant No Guns Allowed nonsense.

[Handy]

These two situations have ZERO to do with the French attacks and as far as terrorism they also have ZERO correlation. Aurora could have been lessened if not for the inane and ignorant No Guns Allowed nonsense.

That wasn't my idea, it was JohnR's.

The No Guns Nonsense is as much a normal thing in the US as it is in Europe.

The only difference between this happening in France and in the US is that it happened in France. There are already five guys with rifles here in the US and plenty of concerts, fairs, stadiums, etc that are just as easy to attack.

[Longitude Zero]

The only difference between this happening in France and in the US is that it happened in France. There are already five guys with rifles here in the US and plenty of concerts, fairs, stadiums, etc that are just as easy to attack.

Could it happen in the USA yes. Would it be as bad, probably not. Millions of US citizens carry concealed and would certainly slow/stop the carnage long before it got as bad as it did. Frankly the folks across the fruited plain would not have to worry abut trials as I am sure the terrorists would NOT survive.

[muggsy]

I'm not going to bad mouth the French when their people used piano wire to take guns from the Germans and who fought by our side once we freed them from the tyranny of Nazi oppression. The French saved the lives of many of our downed fliers and POWs at great peril to themselves. Now I'm not gonna eat any snails mind you, but I will raise a glass of French wine to them.

[Longitude Zero]

muggsy I kinda agree but have a more pragmatic view. Their current "aw shucks" pretty much wipes out the attaboys and kudos for WWII. You are only as good as the present. The past is over and done with. I love eating escargot and French Wine should be poured back into the toilet.

[OldLincoln]

As some may know I tend toward a contrarian view on occasion. This post is NOT an attack on anybody, foreign or domestic, just my thinking. Feel free to skip it or Bawanna can delete it, I simply want to put it put there.

America is well know as an open country. Hell with many states openly giving drivers licenses to illegals which with Motor Voter laws such as CA and others, it also gives them the POSSIBILITY to vote in all elections. I know it is definitely illegal for non-citizens to vote, but they are already criminals just for being here and since they want to stay they vote for the Dems. Ever curious why Obama dropped the barriers to the borders? So this is now a given at least for now and 2016.

Now with that, ponder a few minutes the fantasy of starting a new city. Only this city is one on YOUR Private Land and declared a sanctuary where those wanting in have to be vetted and become a citizen of your city. Those familiar with the William W. Johnstone "Ashes" books know where this is heading. Citizens would get an implant registering them as such and show as blue on the scanner, visitors one that identify them as such and yellow and the date they have to leave or extend, And so on for contracted workers of all sort. Those without implants show as red and immediately tracked down and arrested (not killed) for in depth interview. Yes there would be cameras everywhere! EVERYBODY wishing to give up citizenship may do so and their implant must be removed. If they leave the city for an extended time they will be checked out upon returning.

Everybody is encouraged to carry and gun handling and self defense are taught starting in grammar school. Everyone who is able works in some capacity, those who cannot are encouraged to stay active. All children go the school as well as adults who haven't reached a high school graduate level.

About now some of you are shouting YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!! Well if possible I would and remember those who do not agree and sign up to be a citizen or become one and change their minds are free to go. My city would not be a democracy but would be safe, clean, well educated, productive, and with very solid justice. It would not be evil, biased against race or creed, with everybody measured by their actions. When tried for a crime, a person would be treated fairly and as innocent. The court would be shown ALL evidence and circumstances well heard. People in decision roles would be measured only on just decisions not on conviction rates. If a defendant pleads not guilty at the beginning, they would have the opportunity to change their plea before the jury's decision. If sticking to not guilty, the defendant must take the stand to explain why they still believe they should be found not guilty.

Okay, you get the idea. I know it sounds like a caliphate but it is far from it. Citizens have to want to come in, can leave at any time, religious freedom very strongly enforced, including non-religion, only without all the name calling etc. Yes it would be a stronghold and most attacks would be prevented or stopped, but rockets and air bombs could be a problem. The city would be central in a very large square miles of land with edge defense networks to keep them away as possible.

I like my idea but would likely be the only one willing to live there..... hey now that's an idea!!

[Bawanna]

Count me in Old Lincoln, the Ashes series was awesome.
I liked the you produce or contribute to whatever degree your physically able or out you go.
Very little need for courts or trials. I loved his scenario where a guy is burning leaves and the smoke is blowing into the neighbors house.
This isn't worthy of a court proceeding or lawsuit but it does grant the neighbor the right to come over and kick the leave burners ass for not having the common sense to not be a nuisance.

I loved the whole plan myself. Get your city going, I'll look for a moving truck. Someplace besides California though PLEASE.

We could have our own Tri STates.

Actually that's been my semi long term dream of a place in Wyoming, like 50,000 fenced acres with just me and the family. No immigration, visitors vetted at the gate, shooting range in any direction. What a dream.

[jocko]

thats why many luv ol Donald, he bsicaly said what ol lincoln said so nicely, only donald says it in two words. FOKK UM. Just sayin that way translation doesn't get all messed up either..

[Iggy]

Actually that's been my semi long term dream of a place in Wyoming, like 50,000 fenced acres with just me and the family. No immigration, visitors vetted at the gate, shooting range in any direction. What a dream.
Bawanna,

Such a deal I got for you,

80 miles of fence to maintain. 25,000 pasture poodles, 1000 antelope, 14 mule deer, an occasional moose and bear, and one wild sumbitchin' heifer that we can't get close to.

50 miles to a grocery store. 28 miles round trip to get your mail. Referred to as the Saudi Arabia of wind. Sometimes snowed in for a month at a stretch.

Gather up your green stamp books and maybe we can make a deal.

[Bawanna]

Well now Iggy, just last week you said the guvna said that Wyoming was officially full! All my hopes and dream crushed in one sentence. I'm still suffering a bit from it.

Now this.

Only issue I got is the damn wind, don't care much for wind. 50 miles to the grocery store is good, heck 50 miles to the property line would be perfect. Course my version of Itchy couldn't handle it, she wants it too but she's gotta go to town at least everyday or every other day, I'd never be able to afford fuel.

Always wanted to get me a nice big Antelope head mounted. Got a mountain goat, thought a prairie goat would look just fine next to it.

Probably won't happen now but it was a happy thought.

[CJB]

We oughta invoke the LeMay Doctrine, and get rid of the purple pissing jocksukers by bombing them back to the stone age!

[Iggy]

Well now Iggy, just last week you said the guvna said that Wyoming was officially full! All my hopes and dream crushed in one sentence. I'm still suffering a bit from it.

Now this.

Only issue I got is the damn wind, don't care much for wind. 50 miles to the grocery store is good, heck 50 miles to the property line would be perfect. Course my version of Itchy couldn't handle it, she wants it too but she's gotta go to town at least everyday or every other day, I'd never be able to afford fuel.

Always wanted to get me a nice big Antelope head mounted. Got a mountain goat, thought a prairie goat would look just fine next to it.

Probably won't happen now but it was a happy thought.

Well, it's true I'd have to leave if you was to move in for more reasons than one, but if you got enough green stamps for me to retire in Fiji, we might cut some kind of a deal.