What happened with Costile?

[CharlieR]

Ohio is a "Must Inform" state. Further, the caselaw requires the notification to occur during the initial contact with the officer. I am the recently retired Chief Prosecutor of a large city here. We put on seminars for officers, as well as the public on the suggested action to be taken. Some key points were:

Keeping your hands ON the steering wheel at all times until/unless directed by the officer to do something. (Some suggested hanging both hands outside the vehicle)
Don't blurt out "I've got a GUN"!! Tell the officer that you are a CHL holder and are required to inform him that you have a firearm with you. (Tell him/her where it is)
ASK...."What do you want me to do at this time?" and follow those directions SLOWLY. Some officers may want to disarm you themselves, some not. Some may ask you to exit the vehicle and then they may/may not disarm you, Some may just say, leave it where it is, but don't put your hands there.
If you already have your license and permit out of your wallet, it lessens the tension.
Before you reach anywhere (such as to get registration/insurance/etc.), ask "do you want me to get them out?, or do you want to get them?"
Any movements should be slow.

Most of the officers I have spoken with are much more comfortable once you have asked what they want you to do.
After the recent shootings, I expect they may be on MUCH higher alert, as is understandable. This would NOT be the time to argue about your rights, or to be arguing about the ticket you're getting. The place for that is in a courtroom.

[diablo53]

Texas is a "must identify if licensed and armed" state. I was stopped for speeding and was not armed. I didn't mention anything about my CHL. When he came back with my driver license he asked me if I forgot something. I looked at him puzzled and repeated his question. He said "You have a chl." I told him I wasn't armed and that was pretty much the end of that. Long story short, in Texas, LEO can tell you have a CHL when they run your information. Not the best idea to decide not to tell them if you are armed.

[jocko]

ohio is to my knowledge the onestate with a MUST TELL if u are pulled over for any reason.

I being from indiana have been stopped before on my motorcycle and in myt left pockethas beenmy PMJ9. I never have delcared that I am carrying. If they run a normal BMV check it will not show I have ccw permit, if theyt run a criminal background check, it will show up. normally they do not to the bqackground check unless they feel it is necessary. If they asked if I hve a weapon I will definitely answer ina pol9te way. I my my glock 43 ande my kahr PMJ9 that open place in the grip bottom.I have a copy of my ccw lifetime license, so there is no way i will be with that weapon and not have myt license on myt person. I being an ol man and certaily a opoitie and likeable person, I think that goes a long way. I try to follow the law and I have ask numerous Indiana officers their opinion ad most have told me that they would like to know if you have a gun on your person or in the car. If I am stopped for a oving violation, my thoughts are, give me a ticket or a warning but why add grief to the stop if you have a gun with ytou. Some cops truly be.ieve they should only be the ones with guns. Just sayin.

[Bills1873]

That's a good point about the cops that think they're the only ones that should have guns, Jocko. I don't believe there's a large percentage, but if one runs into such, still, honesty and respect will still be the best route to take.

[jeepster09]

This reinforces my opinion that if your carrying a gun you don't mention it unless asked if you have one.
Some states require you to advise if your stopped.
Sounds like he was asked for ID, in the process of getting his fat wallet (per girlfriend) out he said he had a gun. She quickly advised that he had a permit for it.
Officer then went into defense mode and asked to see/raise hands. Guy wasn't quick enough.

Had he not mentioned the gun, this probably never would have happened, in fact I'm sure it wouldn't have.

If I'm ever asked if I have a gun, my hands immediately go on the steering wheel or up away from my body. The officer has every right to be concerned. I advise that I have no ill intentions and ask what they want me to do.
Usually they will ask where is the gun, usually they don't want to see it. No furtive movements, do what they ask and all will be fine.

Had a friend with a neighboring agency do a traffic stop. Asked to see registration which was in glove box with a pistol on top. Guy never mentioned gun just pulled it out to set on the seat. Before it got clear of the glove box he had a Sig stuffed in his ear and was told if the gun went anywhere but on the seat he would be minus his head.

Had he mentioned he would have to move a pistol to retrieve the registration there probably wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Had a civilian friend in the same situation but other end. He said it's in the glove box with my gun on top. Cop said that was fine just set the gun on the floor, no issue at all, he didn't care.

Agreed, when I got my permit, every time! Instructor stated you do not state you have gun, here in Minnesota or even mention permit unless you are going to be arrested. Then if you know it's going to happen just hand officer permit with license....after he looks at it he may then ask if you are carrying, tell officer at that time. If you start out by saying "I got gun/permit" that's all that might be heard GUN.

[Armybrat]

I being from indiana have been stopped before on my motorcycle and in myt left pockethas beenmy PMJ9. Just sayin.

A "PMJ9"? What's that, a PM"Jocko"9? Justin made a one off custom PM9?

[CJB]

The PM9J (not PMJ9) is Jock's long shootin' short nosed PM9, which has been renamed in honor of the many thousands of rounds he has fired through it. One might say the pistol is damn near enshrined (or was that encrusted? no matter....).

I coined the term.

However, one must account for the famed and legendary typing skills of our beloved Jocko. Therefore, when Jocko types: "Thsi is my PMJ9 an I shoot the foker liek I sotle it", we end up being more endeared to his earthly presence.