carry with a roound in the chamber

[marshal kane]

You have to do what your comfortable with. Kahrs are difficult to rack due to the strong springs and small size. Downloading the mag 1 round helps with the feeding but doesn't help at all with the racking.
I'm not an advocate of pocket carry, never was, never tried it, never will. . . .

If life provided us warnings about things that were about to happen the empty chamber wouldn't be a bad thing.
Unfortunately life comes at you fast, the bad guys, threats, whatever you want to call them have the advantage since they know what they are going to do. We have to play catch up.

But the bottom line is you have to do what works for you. If that means empty chamber then so be it. It's better than leaving the gun in the safe I guess by a little bit.

Ditto your practice of carrying with a round chambered.

[marshal kane]

. . .Actually prefer using the mag release over sling shot.

Don't mean to be nit picking but I think you meant slide release. I prefer the slide release myself. It's always worked for me.

[SmokyT]

"if you prefer not to carry a round in the chamber, you may remove a round from the magazine. This alters the angle of the bullet and will allow it to chamber even if you ride the slide". This is quote from the Kahr website. I was asking if anyone had experimented with this and if it applied to all Kahr pistols and all kahr magazines. Thanks for the replies

I know many Kahr pistols require one less round in a magazine to be able to chamber a round by racking the slide. This is more common among the 7 (and 8) rounder mags than the 6 rounder mags. But that does not apply to all Kahr pistols - meaning that comfortably broken-in Kahr pistols, especially ones with their feed ramp polished, can chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine by slingshotting the slide, so you will not have sacrifice one precious round to carry.


If you want to chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine (as opposed to loading one less round in a magazine) by racking the slide (even if you ride the slide), you may be interested to read about modification of the magazine follower in this sticky thread:


http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...r+modification


I have modified all of my mag followers as per the thread, so I can always chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine in the gun by simply racking the slide.

[WMD]

Here is another way of looking at it.... Would you carry a completely loaded revolver in your pocket? My guess is, yes, you probably would. Then why wouldn't you carry a Kahr in your pocket? It is a DAO pistol. It has a striker block safety that prevents the striker from discharging the gun unless, the trigger is pulled all the way back. Kind of like a revolver.... it can only go off if the trigger is pulled all the way back. I always carry my PM9 with one in the pipe. I always carry my concealed carry revolvers with completely loaded cylinders. I have only one revolver that is not safe to carry that way. It is a single action Ruger Old Army with a .45 Long Colt conversion cylinder. Hammer rests on an empty chamber. There is a reason why there isn't an external safety on a Kahr pistol (except as required by state of MA law). Hope this helps! :-)

[Bawanna]

Excellent comparison to the revolver. Wish I was smart enough to think up stuff like that.

[Armybrat]

carry with a round in the chamber

Always.
I don't like carrying paperweights.

[washerman]

SmokyT....thank you...you are the one that answered my question

[TXscooterguy]

I don't have a problem carrying +1 in a good holster. Not sure I'd be comfortable with +1 and doing the "Mexican Carry." Quentin Tarantino, it appears, is a fan of "Mexican Carry." I won't risk splattering my junk inside my jeans.

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[dustnchips]

If you aren't going to carry with one in the chamber gat a progreso. I hear the big can of chicken noodle works well in an emergency.

[berettabone]

I've never had a problem racking, chambering, or slingshotting, so I guess I'm missing something

[AIRret]

I always have one in the chamber!!
With some of my firearms I load my spare mag. down one round (not my PM9). Some guns require extra attention when you load a full mag and you also have one in the chamber. That's not a problem for me if there is no pressure….however, when the SHTF if I need to do an administrative reload (which means I still have one in the chamber) the full mag doesn't always slide easily into place. But again that doesn't happen with all my handguns.
I guess this points out the importance of spending some time training with one in the chamber and also repeatedly putting a FULL mag. home.

[340pd]

I've never had a problem racking, chambering, or slingshotting, so I guess I'm missing something

I think you may be missing something. Racking is easy to do when you have the time to do it. It can become a bit of an issue if you have to do it in a split second because you just were sucker punched from behind and your life depends of you doing everything perfectly while you are somewhat dazed and probably on the ground.

I believe you are just adding a huge potential for a malfunction at exactly the wrong time. This can be expanded to include the potential for an unintentional limp wrist malfunction following your successful racking one in the chamber. I won't even go into if the gun has a functional safety or not.

I believe this so much that unless I am going for the absolute thinnest (PM9) IWB or pocket carry, you will find me with a j-frame with lasergrips and a speedstrip or two in my pocket. The laser easily makes up for the small round count and crappy sights on most pocket guns.

Manual of arms for operating a revolver: Pull trigger until you hear "click", reload or top off and repeat until threat is neutralized.

Currently awaiting arrival of someone who will allow me to win a bid on a Kimber K6S at a reasonable price.

Just my 2¢

[b4uqzme]

I know many Kahr pistols require one less round in a magazine to be able to chamber a round by racking the slide. This is more common among the 7 (and 8) rounder mags than the 6 rounder mags. But that does not apply to all Kahr pistols - meaning that comfortably broken-in Kahr pistols, especially ones with their feed ramp polished, can chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine by slingshotting the slide, so you will not have sacrifice one precious round to carry.


If you want to chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine (as opposed to loading one less round in a magazine) by racking the slide (even if you ride the slide), you may be interested to read about modification of the magazine follower in this sticky thread:


http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...r+modification


I have modified all of my mag followers as per the thread, so I can always chamber a round from a fully loaded magazine in the gun by simply racking the slide.

^^^ This. I would fully expect a well broken in Kahr pistol to slingshot just fine. Mine do. The follower mod is a good idea or you can use Lakeline followers if you encounter any difficulty. I don't recommend loading one down in a single stack...I think the capacity lost is a bigger issue. Better to work with your pistol and get it running right with a full mag. Someone above recommended a lot of practice chambering under stress. That sounded like great advice too. You are adding a lot of steps and opportunity for failure to a process that rewards speed and reliability.

P.S. Yeah. These threads tend to turn into a lot of posts attempting to convince you to carry with a round already chambered. Each makes his own choice. But it's actually very good advice.

[AIRret]

If you do decide to carry with an empty chamber, please don't get sloppy when holstering the gun just it's in a "safe" condition.
Because if one day you do carry with one in the chamber it will be very hard to break bad habits. It could even be dangerous.

[Bobshouse]

If you do decide to carry with an empty chamber, please don't get sloppy when holstering the gun just it's in a "safe" condition.
Because if one day you do carry with one in the chamber it will be very hard to break bad habits. It could even be dangerous.

Very good point...