well well well another school mass shooting...

[ltxi]

I did not mean for my post to be provocotive. There are a lot of good posts here with a lot of good ideas. If my asking how some of these might be accomplished in the political climate we are in is provocative, you have my humble apology.

I don't know how to fix it. Well, I sorta partially do but my my start up solution thoughts come from mid-last century and wouldn't be "acceptable" in current society. To my mind, there are a few fundamental issues. One is a lack of swift and sure, non-coddling retribution/justice. Kill today, executed tomorrow would have at least some effect, especially in preventing repeats. Another....lack of parenting skills/proper child socialization/etc. A third, which has nothing to do with children per se ....I read a book circa 1971 written earlier by, I think, Issac Asimov. A non fiction piece. Working off a premise humans have a limited ability to accept increasingly rapid change, individually so, it accurately predicted our acute and growing social mental health problems. And I'm sure there are more to think about.

While I do have answers for the known, obvious, individual threats that would make the Col look utterly PC, I have none for the greater that could ever see implementation.

[knkali]

Problem: The dam above the city that generates our power and provides drinking water is cracking and is leaking which is threatening the lives of those that live in the city
Solution: stop or at least slow down the leak first THEN figure out why the dam is cracking to fix it.

Same thing here.
Problem: kids are being slaughtered at school more than ever
Solution: lets try too stop/minimize the slaughtering then figure out what is driving these perpetrators.

Having armed security is not a "fix" just as putting a finger in the proverbial leaking dyke is a fix. Its a start though.

[Ken L]

Problem: The dam above the city that generates our power and provides drinking water is cracking and is leaking which is threatening the lives of those that live in the city
Solution: stop or at least slow down the leak first THEN figure out why the dam is cracking to fix it.

Same thing here.
Problem: kids are being slaughtered at school more than ever
Solution: lets try too stop/minimize the slaughtering then figure out what is driving these perpetrators.

Having armed security is not a "fix" just as putting a finger in the proverbial leaking dyke is a fix. Its a start though.

Great point, but the issue that I see is that all that is being proposed is to slow down the leak. The left has no plans to figure out what the driving factor is, much less put a plan in place to deal with it.

[berettabone]

It makes it tough when half the people out there don't know the difference between auto and semi auto.............................................. .................talking out of their arse right away.

[knkali]

It makes it tough when half the people out there don't know the difference between auto and semi auto.............................................. .................talking out of their arse right away.

This post is not meant to be attacking you Beretta. I am just keeping the flow here. I promise I'll shut up now since I have made my position on this over and over.........ok lets take semi auto, auto, assault, rifle and other words that can be nebulous out of this conversation. Lets use words that everyone can agree with and understand..... here is a song that should be played loud and clear(if possible) at the next parent school board meetings. I think it sums up this situation nicely.....please turn up your speakers because its very soft and you might miss some of the pertinent well crafted lyrics. Please enjoy. After listening....let me know if armed security is not necessary at schools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORkT4a2MhQ

[Bawanna]

It's got a good beat but you can't dance to it.

The problem as I see it is the left tree hugging liberals have one track minds. (I think my PC done left me). They don't care auto, semi, or flintlock, they just think gun. They use these atrocities as fuel to promote their one track effort. Get rid of guns.
I've often wished I could come up with something they love (maybe tree hugging and Subaru's and giving away tax payer money to future school shooters) as much as I love guns and then mount an all out effort to ban it.

Around these parts most all High Schools have a resource officer. Fully armed officer on campus and he deals with all issues in the district.
The downfall of armed security is the likely hood of being in the right place at the right time is pretty slim but still at least he's there and can act quicker as well as help responders with good information.
The other downfall is the uniformed officer will be the first to go if the nut job has an capability to make any kind of sound plan. (not likely).
The plus side of teachers being armed and I mean on their person, not in the drawer of their desk is most probably wouldn't know so they have an advantage.
The downfall is most perhaps I should say many belong to the first group that want to ban full auto flintlocks so might have a hard time getting many teacher to arm themselves. But there are some.
The other downfall to arming teachers is lawyers. If a teacher ever does need to act, we'll have to scrutinize his tactics, his trigger pull weight, weather he was wearing Haines skivvy shorts or Victoria Secret thong, his state of mind, weather he's drank alcohol in the last 7 years and so on.
Probably require monthly training from some over rated and under qualified instructor whose intent is to retire in 3 years by charging by the minute on the Federal Governments dime. I mean it's not like it's real money right, it's the government.

I too don't have a good answer. I know taking my guns or making it hard for me to buy them, especially the old stuff I prefer isn't the answer.
I think draining the swamp and getting some new blood, removing those whose focus is booze and Geritol and that would be a start.
Rein in the media and support the good ideas of the president, unlike his predecessor. I think taking away his tweeter and facebook etc might be good for the same reason I don't have them. The truth is painful to some folks.

Well I'm gonna go out and clean ol Bessie, hopefully not for the last time.

[yqtszhj]

I don't know how to fix it. Well, I sorta partially do but my my start up solution thoughts come from mid-last century and wouldn't be "acceptable" in current society. To my mind, there are a few fundamental issues. One is a lack of swift and sure, non-coddling retribution/justice. Kill today, executed tomorrow would have at least some effect, especially in preventing repeats. Another....lack of parenting skills/proper child socialization/etc. A third, which has nothing to do with children per se ....I read a book circa 1971 written earlier by, I think, Issac Asimov. A non fiction piece. Working off a premise humans have a limit ability to accept increasingly rapid change, individually so, it accurately predicted our acute and growing social mental health problems.

I like the first and second in particular. Well said.

I really planned to stay out of this one but one big thing is a lack of morality these days (there is no right or wrong) because we have to be concerned about everybody's feelings because it isn't their fault. The very fact that a free satellite channel called "Viceland" peddling filth for ideas can replace a Discovery educational channel shows the depths to which the society has fallen. I don't see us winning the battle but I'll darn sure die trying to make a change. Started with my 3 kids. All adults and they're good so far.

[berettabone]

This post is not meant to be attacking you Beretta. I am just keeping the flow here. I promise I'll shut up now since I have made my position on this over and over.........ok lets take semi auto, auto, assault, rifle and other words that can be nebulous out of this conversation. Lets use words that everyone can agree with and understand..... here is a song that should be played loud and clear(if possible) at the next parent school board meetings. I think it sums up this situation nicely.....please turn up your speakers because its very soft and you might miss some of the pertinent well crafted lyrics. Please enjoy. After listening....let me know if armed security is not necessary at schools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORkT4a2MhQ

My comment was not directed at you, and you must have misunderstood my comment. I made the comment directed at liberals who are a large part of the discussion. How can you have a legitimate conversation when you don't even understand the mechanics of the firearm to begin with. It's like talking about race cars, they go too fast and they're very dangerous. Have you ever driven one? No. So how can you even begin to converse about a subject when you have absolutely no experience in the topic. These people that scream the loudest have never had ANY experience with a firearm in any capacity. They want guns gone period. So how can you ever have a legitimate conversation about firearms when most don't even know what they are talking about. It's almost hilarious. Would it have been better if the douche bag would have used a 30-06 deer rifle with a scope? They just can't get past the firearm. Open up your wallet ladies and gentlemen. The schools will need armed guards in their budget. It's the only way to slow this down, and I say slow it down, because it will never stop it completely. Mental illness is a whole nuther issue. I see people out and about every day that just on looks alone, should be locked up immediately. Whatever they come up with is always going to step on some liberties, rights, privacy. Who's going to make the mental health decisions involving someone's ownership of a firearm? Phy's are loonier than their patients. The Gov't? Everything they touch turns to $#!t. I say after the dust settles, once again, nothing happens.

[Bawanna]

I'm glad my kids are finished with school. No drugs, no issues, no welfare, no hand outs. Plus I won't have to deal with metal detectors and armed guards visiting schools.
Might be an issue with the grand kids if I live long enough but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

I do have some concerns about armed guards in a school situation. I think the big issue for them would be boredom and thus turnover.
Many thrive on doing nothing and work their whole career in boredom. I kind of do, same stuff every day with little variety but I do have expectations to meet and stuff that needs to be done.

One plus to arming those that are already there doing something.

As Beretta mentioned I went to a rodeo Saturday night and they have a little raised area for derelicts in wheelchairs to sit and everybody pretty much walks by at some point or another. Many it seemed walked back and forth all evening, no idea where they were going.

There were at least 4 subjects who if I had the authority I would have pulled for serious checking out. Maybe just anti depressants or something but they were not right.

I was also amazed at how many truly ugly, fat obese individuals are in our area. Now I don't pass judgement on those qualities, I'm sure some are just fine folks but there sure were a lot of them. Plus I'm getting close to being one myself I guess. Course there were half a dozen smoking hotties and a couple of complete stud muffins that I of course pointed out to the missus.

For some reason I was the only derelict in the derelict area. First time ever. Probably room for 15 or 20. It was crowded and it filled up with normal folks including my kids and grand kids but I was the only set of wheels. Weird.

[Bobshouse]

I wouldn't want any armed guard watching over my kid. There are no qualifications other than getting a guard card here in California. Even with a highly trained police officer it wouldn't be enough, one person cannot cover the acreage of some of these schools.

Make it a little harder to become infamous...

[knkali]

guys you make some good points. True to course, marches and pundits are rallying their support to ban guns as we type this.... Limbaugh is already being lambasted for saying that conceal carry needs to be allowed in schools. Bawanna made some good points though as did others here on this thread. To circumvent some of these possible shortcomings in patrol training and liabilities etc, the patrol probably will have to be LEOs. Yep a division of local law enforcement created just to keep the kids safe at school. Heck
Retired LEOs looking for a little extra dough is fine with me as school patrol personnel...they probably wouldn't want the job though...too dangerous(joke). Seriously, it will take more than one safety person to do the job per campus no doubt. I have no problem with that. Raise my taxes to pay for it? No problem here for that too.
Where is this gonna end up? Don't really know but I do know this wont be the last school shooting for long time. Unfortunately, I think the frequency will escalate. Don't have facts to back this statement--just a feeling...a very bad feeling.
Love to all. I've said my piece. I'm ranting now. Please forgive me. Just fed up beyond belief.

[knkali]

BTW Bawanna...love rodeos. Always feel at home at them. Good peeps good times. Have to admit watching them on TV is better though. They aren't quite as fast paced live.

[knkali]

ok I lied: Great quote in the article about a problem with obesity in America....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/calls-gun...035423805.html

If Fl softens their gun policies, that will be the canary in the coal mine for the rest of us(forget Kali)

[Bawanna]

He agrees to plead guilty if they don't pursue the death penalty???????

Get a rope. Not trial needed. Sorry lawyers, no money to be made on this one.

[ltxi]

He agrees to plead guilty if they don't pursue the death penalty???????

Get a rope. Not trial needed. Sorry lawyers, no money to be made on this one.

Kinda fits my first first on the list solution thought...posted earlier.

"ban full auto flintlocks" ... thanks, I'm gonna be using that one.