What's your opinion of the stock 2 dot sight on Kahrs??

[lantern]

I have ALWAYS preferred 2 dot sights and when I stumbled onto Kahr I thought that someone had been listening to my thoughts with the small gun with 1911 pointability, low weight, low recoil, two dot sights and smooth DA for CCW.

I know three dot sights are more popular, but a single front dot with blacked out rear or two dot system works so much faster for me and takes steps out of the equation. Meaning, dot the i and bang vs line up the humps and divide the distance between them.


What say ye? There are no wrong answers. I just wondered if anyone else is as big of a fan of the 2 dot system as I or if some simply hate it.



If I had to complain I wish they would sell a 2 dot fiber optic or night sight.......or a combo(although I'm not a fan of the real estate the TFX takes up on short guns).

[gale155]

Sights really don't matter to me on a self-defense gun, which most of mine are. As the late Larry Seecamp once said (and I'm paraphrasing), "If you need to use sights in a self-defense shooting situation, you'd better have a good defense attorney on retainer".

[ltxi]

I've never much liked a two dot system. Three dot, front only, white outline rear with or without front, or nothing all work well better for me.

[ltxi]

[QUOTE=gale155;400790]Sights really don't matter to me on a self-defense gun, which most of mine are. As the late Larry Seecamp once said (and I'm paraphrasing), "If you need to use sights in a self-defense shooting situation, you'd better have a good defense attorney on retainer".[/QUOTE]

Whut?

[Barth]

Bought my Kahr MK40 Elite with factory three dot NS.
I like them on that gun.
For me it's somewhat platform dependent.
Meaning I can favor different sights on different guns (can't explain why?)
Most of my guns run XS Big Dots.
Very fast flash sight picture for close quarters combat.

But I've got TFX Pro, Adjustable Meprolight, Heinie Straight Eights and Novak red fiber optics on various guns.
Go Figure - LOL

[Scrambler]

Think a Kahr E9 was my first experience with the bar/dot system, then Sigs. Found they worked well with my aging eyes. Especially like the Ameriglo I-Dot, with the luminous green around the front tritium, for my Shield.
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[lantern]

LOL! I knew my fellow i dot and straight 8 shooters would reply. I have XS big dots on my HK45c. Had to put a tiny bit of brighter paint at the back. For some reason I just wasn't picking the factory line up and since they don't have a pronounced notch I was a bit erratic. All is well now.

[ripley16]

I have bar/dot sights on several guns, Kahrs, Sigs, Walther and Beretta. I've never really taken to them as they take longer for me to align and keep aligned. I much prefer three dot sights. For years I've thought that the easiest improvement Kahr could make in their line would be a nice set of upgraded three dot sights.

[gale155]

[QUOTE=ltxi;400794]

Sights really don't matter to me on a self-defense gun, which most of mine are. As the late Larry Seecamp once said (and I'm paraphrasing), "If you need to use sights in a self-defense shooting situation, you'd better have a good defense attorney on retainer".[/QUOTE]

Whut?

Let me elaborate and clarify. If you are forced to shoot someone in self-defense, and they are so far away that you have to use sights, you may subsequently have a legal problem. In a real self-defense situation, you're not going to have time to gain a sight picture...it's going to be point and shoot IMO. In fact, sights are going to be the last thing on your mind, and you probably won't even notice them. Now for soldiers, and police officers in some situations, it's a different ballgame.

[boscobarbell]

I've been gradually teaching myself (contrary to decades of prior training at Uncle Sam's expense) to shoot with both eyes open. I've found the Big Dot system to work extremely well in allowing me to point-shoot with just the teeniest "cheat" of picking up that big front dot. Up to 7 yards or so (well beyond any expected SD application) it works consistently well for center mass or cranium hits (not precise--no pretty groupings to brag about--but close enough for bad guy shooting).

Beyond that range, I have to revert back to strong-eye, sight picture shooting, and a three-dot system works best for me.

[ltxi]

[QUOTE=gale155;400824]

Let me elaborate and clarify. If you are forced to shoot someone in self-defense, and they are so far away that you have to use sights, you may subsequently have a legal problem. In a real self-defense situation, you're not going to have time to gain a sight picture...it's going to be point and shoot IMO. In fact, sights are going to be the last thing on your mind, and you probably won't even notice them. Now for soldiers, and police officers in some situations, it's a different ballgame.

Disagree.... Don't know to put this more friendly like but, this is spray and pray philosophy.

[gale155]

[QUOTE=ltxi;400827]

Disagree.... Don't know to put this more friendly like but, this is spray and pray philosophy.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And I didn't say anything about "spray and pray"...I said point and shoot.

[boscobarbell]

[QUOTE=gale155;400828]

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And I didn't say anything about "spray and pray"...I said point and shoot.

I think your point is well-taken, Gale.

I just did a quick Google search, and it's pretty hard to even find a SD shooting beyond 10 yards. The 3/3/3 Rule isn't exact, but it does cover most SD shootings. There are other studies out there that show how exceedingly rare it is to find anything beyond 21', which is backed by FBI statistics. Police and military routinely qualify handguns at 25 yards, because they are expected to engage at those distances if need be. But civilians are expected to safely extract themselves under exactly the same conditions.

Sure, there may be exceptions, particularly in Stand Your Ground states, where a property owner may be authorized to shoot at those distances. Or maybe the 1-in-a-million scenario in a parking garage, for example, when someone is brandishing a weapon and tailing you.

But in almost every conceivable case, you will have to use your firearm up-close-and-personal, or you will have to explain to a jury why you didn't extricate yourself from a danger when you likely had a clear path of egress.

[ltxi]

[QUOTE=gale155;400828]

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And I didn't say anything about "spray and pray"...I said point and shoot.

Which is, to my mind, the same as spray and pray. If you meant point shoot, which is a whole 'nother animal with an implied level of competence, then I'm good with that. I have a couple of guns, Glocks, in active service I don't point shoot well enough to dispense with some reliance on sights in a stress situation. All others I carry for defense sights are just okay to haves for close quarters work.

[ltxi]

[QUOTE=boscobarbell;400829]

I think your point is well-taken, Gale.

I just did a quick Google search, and it's pretty hard to even find a SD shooting beyond 10 yards. The 3/3/3 Rule isn't exact, but it does cover most SD shootings. There are other studies out there that show how exceedingly rare it is to find anything beyond 21', which is backed by FBI statistics. Police and military routinely qualify handguns at 25 yards, because they are expected to engage at those distances if need be. But civilians are expected to safely extract themselves under exactly the same conditions.

Sure, there may be exceptions, particularly in Stand Your Ground states, where a property owner may be authorized to shoot at those distances. Or maybe the 1-in-a-million scenario in a parking garage, for example, when someone is brandishing a weapon and tailing you.

But in almost every conceivable case, you will have to use your firearm up-close-and-personal, or you will have to explain to a jury why you didn't extricate yourself from a danger when you likely had a clear path of egress.

Generally, I agree. Where this path of thought most often fails is "in defense of others".....something I've always been/felt bound to as necessary do and so prepare for.