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  • #16
    As with most elections, the Dems with vote (D) 39%. They went 89% D, 10% R, 1% I
    The republicans will vote (R) 32%
    Same as the Dems.
    The independents (29%) went 52-44 to the D. Hardly a slam dunk win. And polling shows the the VAST majority believe they did not know who BHO really was, and won't be fooled again.


    According to CNN The (I) went 52-44 to the (D) in 2008 and will flop 60-40 to the R in 2012. The currently polling has them as MOST LIKELY to vote for the (R) 2012, a huge change in fortune from 2008, and even worse now then just a year ago.

    Also, more than 10 million voters stayed home in 2008, vast majority because they hated McCain. If they are drawn back in with a good top ticket, the Republicans are golden.

    (I used CNN's polling data on purpose. Pre-election polling verse actual results showed them to be the most bias, pro Dem polls. Rassmuten (Sp?) was the most accurate. Accurate, unbiased polls show the Republicans are going to CRUSH the Dems in 2012.)
    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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    • #17
      oh I hope ur right
      . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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      • #18
        Over the years it's usually been 40% Dems and 40% Rep, with the 20% in the middle, Ind, Lib, Soc, and others deciding the issue. There are rare cases of a candidate getting more than 60% of the popular vote, but it doesn't happen often. If it does, you generally have one with great charisma or one that has none. [like McCain]

        I know he has negatives, but the person in Washington that most closely matches my views is Newt. Although he's not well known [yet], I also really like Herman Cain. If you ever hear him speak, and you're conservative, you can't help but like what he stands for.

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        • #19
          Newt is super smart, politicaly to, but he just has to much baggage and to much WASHINGTON in him. He won't even run is my bet..
          . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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          • #20
            Originally posted by jocko View Post
            Newt is super smart, politicaly to, but he just has to much baggage and to much WASHINGTON in him. He won't even run is my bet..
            I don't mind the 'Washington" part in his case, but you're right about the baggage. [I said negatives] Newt and Herman are both from Atlanta too, so it would be anything but a balanced ticket. But how cool would it be to have a ticket where both the Presidential and VP candidates know me by my first name.

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            • #21
              Herman Cain sounded interesting in the debates.
              Ray

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              • #22
                gonna take alot and I mean alot of money to go against the "chosen one". He supposably has close to a billion dollars in his war chest and he doesnt need to even fight for the primaries. Money talks, People walks, may not be right but that is usually what it is..
                . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                • #23
                  so none of you guys support ron paul? seriously?

                  to follow the constitution in this day and age, would require drastic, radical changes to the way this country is run, and the laws are written. it would require many of our laws to be repealed. hence, ron paul is a radical.

                  also, i've seen all of alex jones movies and many others of the same opinion. its really sad how few people there are in america who know, or will even believe this stuff when shown proof.
                  None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Goethe

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                  • #24
                    Like Jocko said, I wish Mitch Daniels would run and be recognized for the leader he is. As Governor of Indiana he made some very tough decisions (and stuck by them) that were much maligned by the liberal press and the Democrats, but have turned out to be exactly what the state needed to keep our budget in check and the running soundly. I hope he chooses to run because, like Reagan, I think he could come out of nowhere and be really good for the country.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by apheod View Post
                      so none of you guys support ron paul? seriously?

                      to follow the constitution in this day and age, would require drastic, radical changes to the way this country is run, and the laws are written. it would require many of our laws to be repealed. hence, ron paul is a radical.

                      also, i've seen all of alex jones movies and many others of the same opinion. its really sad how few people there are in america who know, or will even believe this stuff when shown proof.
                      I'm a Libertarian and even I don't support Ron Paul. Who is Alex Jones? Is he the nut with all the conspiracy Theories?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by aray View Post
                        Herman Cain sounded interesting in the debates.
                        Was this the debate in SC last week? I heard that there was a focus group watching and before the debate there was one Cain supporter. Afterwards, over half had come over to him.

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                        • #27
                          ~Mike F.
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                          • #28
                            too much Hollywood in it?

                            Originally posted by apheod View Post
                            so none of you guys support ron paul? seriously?

                            to follow the constitution in this day and age, would require drastic, radical changes to the way this country is run, and the laws are written. it would require many of our laws to be repealed. hence, ron paul is a radical.

                            also, i've seen all of alex jones movies and many others of the same opinion. its really sad how few people there are in america who know, or will even believe this stuff when shown proof.
                            I'll admit to only watching the first half, but, that in part, was that it seemed short on proof. I felt I was watching a Hollywood production not too different from Michael Moore. The credibility wasn't there for me. I agreed with some of the larger notions. Its just they took it to a whole darker level.

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                            • #29
                              Too much money needed

                              Originally posted by jocko View Post
                              gonna take alot and I mean alot of money to go against the "chosen one". He supposably has close to a billion dollars in his war chest and he doesnt need to even fight for the primaries. Money talks, People walks, may not be right but that is usually what it is..
                              There ought to be a ceiling on campaign spending. If one has to spend a BILLION to win, too many potential candidates are effectively barred from running. It also opens up abuses by special interests with deep pockets. I fear our choices will be between "bad or worse", again.

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                              • #30
                                I keep wondering whether the Hildabeast will challenge Zero in the primaries.

                                While the Clintons are not known to embark on suicide missions, I think she has more testicular fortitude than the great one will ever have and might give him a run for his money.

                                OTOH if she couldn't beat him in 2008 when he was a junior senator/community organizer could she be succesful now ?
                                I personally think she's waiting on him to stump his toe.
                                Where are we going and why am I in this hand-basket?

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