How many rounds?

[jocko]

ur very close Melissa. very close. They have alot of arch small birdges names after my family over there around LaCanavese, Italy.

[Bawanna]

Italy???? OMG, he's in the mafia! Is Jocko short for Giacomo?

You didn't know that? I thought everyone knew that.

I speak the truth. The FBI most wanted dude they caught the other day? Nickel and Dime compared to this family.

[jocko]

bawanna, u can be my mea figlio any day, Ur alright.

[JimBianchi]

"Just as important as gun reliability, are failure drills, drop drills and movement and cover drills. You should be as reliable as your gun."

not sure how old your are either but when u get my age some of those drills are just not something I practice or intend to practice. My gun is probably more reliable than I am, but it also doesn' have the miles on it that I have.

I am 48y old underemployed photographer, 22y retired USAF (retired in 2002), mostly Security Police, currently waiting on a new hip, UPS and the VA are due to drop it in Aug 29. Between that and the 5 blown disks in my back, those drills have to end on the ground, because getting up ain't fast or pretty...

I did just break in my K9 (bought used and abused, the factory fixed me it up) a few weeks ago, it went pretty well, I was moving slow the next day though. Thank God for Pharmaceuticals!

[O'Dell]

so true, maybe more durable than reliable but if I like you, I will be there for u, but if I don't, well there's that damn PM9 of mine.!!!

I noticed that you didn't say you liked me but 'if'. Should I be worried?

[rwblue01]

There are the tests of the:
1. Gun
2. Mags. all non-range-only mags get run twice.
3. Holster
4. Me shooting said gun.

Different makers = different results.

Kahr says don't complain until after 200 rounds. So there is a minimal limit.

All the Kahr mags don't run right off the bat, so.....

Gun is going back to Kahr so an issue.

Finding the right holster is an issue, so....

Me shooting the Kahr is not good either (I assume this can be overcome, but ....)

The flip side:
Glocks have run right out of the box.
All glock new mags run right out of the box.
Holster was an issue.
I shoot it like they were made for me.

[mr surveyor]

I look at firearm reliability a bit differently than just number of rounds. No matter if it's a revolver, semi auto pistol, rifle or shotgun...new or used.. I have a standard procedure to follow.

1. Read the manual (download one from the web if necessary) and study the field strip and detail strip instructions.
2. Check to make sure the barrel is clear and the action appears to function properly, then fire one full load/magazine before doing anything else.
3. Detail strip (as far as I am capable) and inspect every part closely, looking for anything that may be an imperfection or just poor machining, and give it a proper lubing. Keep notes, and/or take pictures.
4. Run 50 rounds (pistol, revolver, shotgun get 50 - rifle 10-20) through then detail strip again and examine all the parts, mating surfaces, springs, etc., again. Particularly on semi-autos I look for signs of peening of the barrel hood corners and breach face, as well as for wear marks on the barrel and guide rod ports in the slide, and examine the guide rod for gouges. Also pay close attention to the extractor and ejector. Compare notes with step 3.
5. Repeat step 4 and look for any changes.

If everything passes the above after a couple hundred rounds it should be good to go. I never considered it necessary to run several boxes of "carry ammo" through any firearm to prove reliability. If the gun passes my normal "break in test" with range ammo, I then find a particular SD load that cycles a couple of magazines without problems, I'm good to go.

Following the above routine, if there is a malfunction along the way, at least I have some idea as to the cause.

redneck science


surv

[ltxi]

Ten rounds, 12 for a K-Frame.

[TucsonMTB]

I look at firearm reliability a bit differently than just number of rounds . . . redneck science

surv

+1 I'm probably not quite as scientific about as Mr. Surveyor, but after going through more than a dozen different semi-autos of varying quality from Kel-Tec, Ruger, Kimber, Dan Wesson, and finally Kahr, I know when a pistol has smoothed out enough to be reliable. Some crossed that line after lots of attention. Others were "OK" right out of the box but still needed to become smooth enough in operation to inspire confidence. Only one ever frustrated me to the point that it got sold off, with full disclosure, cheaply.

It's kind of like Kenny Rogers' The Gambler song, "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run."

Experience counts. There is no formula for me.

[ltxi]

+1 I'm probably not quite as scientific about as Mr. Surveyor, but after going through more than a dozen different semi-autos of varying quality from Kel-Tec, Ruger, Kimber, Dan Wesson, and finally Kahr, I know when a pistol has smoothed out enough to be reliable. Some crossed that line after lots of attention. Others were "OK" right out of the box but still needed to become smooth enough in operation to inspire confidence. Only one ever frustrated me to the point that it got sold off, with full disclosure, cheaply.

It's kind of like Kenny Rogers' The Gambler song, "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run."

Experience counts. There is no formula for me.

Yeah, I agree. For an experienced shooter there's much wisdom in that approach.

[yqtszhj]

I like to put together 200 trouble free rounds at least. 1 FTF, FTE, or stovepipe, and the count starts over. I have one pistol, a Star Model 30 in 9mm, that has never passed the test. Mostly it stovepipes. So that one is put away and only comes out for target practice once in awhile.
One SD ammo, I can't afford a whole lot, so if can get 50 troublefree rounds after the initial 200 with FMJ, then I call it good to go.

What manski said is what I do too before carry, 2 hundred trouble free then 50 SD trouble free.

Then as Jocko says I shoot it like I stole it.

[Too Tall Todd]

When I received my Kahr p9 I of course stripped, cleaned and lubed it then I manually cycled it 400+ times then fired it 500 times + 1 box of critical defense ammo and since it was flawless I called it good to go. I am about 2500 rounds without a problem. I literally trust "the reverend" with my life. I was seriously surprised however when my 23 yo daughter experienced two stovepipes within 50 rounds. I suspect that she was limp wristing it. I still trust the rev in my hands but not in my daughters anymore.

[jocko]

no doubt ur daughter limped the gun. In timne shewould have adjusted to the gun. Most women are not gun savvy and have no clue as to how a semi HAS TO WORK..