CCW, Police..happened sooner than expected

[jocko]

no wonder ur state is so fokked up!!!!

[MikeyKahr]

Yes, but...

no wonder ur state is so fokked up!!!!

Very true....but it's home (for now). Until uncle Bawanna buys that shanty up in Wyoming and invites me out for a permanent family visit.

[MERCTECH]

Makes me glad Florida is not that way. I like not having to inform unless asked. Something about being disarmed, even to police. My instructor told us a story about a guy that was too informative about carrying, the cop disarmed him and took his rounds from his gun and didnt give them back. Which was bull because that was his property but didnt want to argue. Needless to say the guy will never again give up that information unless asked.

[Bawanna]

I would say a very small percentage of officers would ever disarm you. Most would appreciate knowing its there but would prefer to not see it or deal with it, provided of course your legal and stuff.

I'm not even sure what our law is here but I don't think we have to let an officer know. The key is cops do not like surprises. If your Registration is in the glove box and your gun is on top of it, I'd would definitely let the officer know the situation.

A freind had this happen and the officer said ok fine, just get the registration.

I don't mention I have a gun unless theres some viable reason for it to be necessary.

In our dept it is condidered a no no to display credentials to try and get out of a ticket unless it comes up. Some I know use the I'm carrying a weapon, it came with my badge to circumvent that no no.
I myself always hope it comes up but so far have not lucked out. I've gotten a few speeding tickets. Too aggressive I guess.
I do always send a business card along with the payment just for fun.

[ltxi]

ltxi, to answer your question about Ohio, yes most definitively. If I'm in the vehicle and carrying or on foot and carrying, I am required to inform LEO upon contact. If I'm in the vehicle and not carrying, I am still required to inform LEO that I'm licensed but unarmed. If the vehicle is registered in my name and I'm not in the vehicle, my wife has been instructed to still inform LEO that her husband is licensed to carry but he's not in vehicle and she is unarmed. Basically, the rule of thumb around here is inform, inform, inform. Some gray areas exist - say I'm in another's vehicle in back seat and they've been pulled over. I don't have to inform unless the LEO asks if there's a weapon in the vehicle - then I must inform.

Ohio has some of the most verbose laws and regulations about CCW in the country. Poorly written laws to start in fact that thankfully have been progressively fixed by new laws and regulations coming out. One example, when carrying in a car, I either have to have the loaded gun on my person, in glove box, or in a enclosed bag/container on the front passenger seat in clear view. Anywhere else is verboten. Say I forget to put the bag on the front seat - it's a violation. Say I forget to zip up the bag closed - it's a violation. Say I put it in the trunk without unloading it - it's a violation - even though I'm a CCW license holder (actually CHL holder, technically). Thankfully these rules are slowly being fixed with new legislation and certain funky laws will be changing here in 86 days....and hopefully more to come.

Thanks, I appreciate the explanation. It actually doesn't come as much of a surprise....I used to live and work in Ohio, but left well before the current carry laws were passed. I guess I understand, although don't personally agree with, the logic if you guys have a ccw data base flag that automatically comes up when you run the plate. We don't have a cmprehensive version of that here, either.

[jocko]

Indiana does not have this data base on a moving vehicle violation, nor through BMV records either, which IMO is good. so if a cop doesnt ask, I don't say anything. we are not required to either. OPhio is damnnear as fokke dup as Illinois, ashame we Indiana people hav eto put up with adjoing states that are ******-s about gun owner ship.

They really need a federal mandate that allows any person with his own state ccw permti to carry in any state period. Under the obama administration, I don't see that happening at all.

anyway a happy 4th to all the kahr forum members..

[ltxi]

At least Ohio is a shall issue state now and accepts a lot of other state's permits. If you want to see seriously screwed up, take a look at today's leading poster child for draconian gun laws...New Jersey. They're now at the point where they're almost making Mass look half way sane.

I definitely agree the holy grail is DL like, federally mandated reciprocity. I agree it's a dream, but at least it's now a dream as opposed to totally unthinkable.

[BuckeyeBlast]

Ohio's not as bad as some make it out to be. There's a lot of technicalities w/ the current CCW, but at least now you can follow the law and have the right to be armed and able to protect your family. Ohio's made a lot of progress in the last 10 years, and we continue to make more and more progress and get a lot of those technicalities out of there. No gun roster, no approved list, only mag restriction is for mags over 30, other than that, pretty much everything OK w/ ATF is OK w/ OH.

[Jeremiah/Az]

We do not have to notify LEO's here in Az. of CCW unless they ask. I have talked to several retired LEO's at the gun club & they said that they would prefer to be told up front. Every member that I brought this up with said that they hand the LEO their permit with their license. I have never been stopped.

[MikeyKahr]

Agreed and agreed

Ohio's not as bad as some make it out to be. There's a lot of technicalities w/ the current CCW, but at least now you can follow the law and have the right to be armed and able to protect your family. Ohio's made a lot of progress in the last 10 years, and we continue to make more and more progress and get a lot of those technicalities out of there. No gun roster, no approved list, only mag restriction is for mags over 30, other than that, pretty much everything OK w/ ATF is OK w/ OH.

Agreed BuckeyeBlast, it's not as bad as some make it out to be. We could be Illinois and have no chance at CCW? Or be Massachusetts or California and have to check a list to see which gun we're allowed to get, right? I'd much rather have Ohio's laws. And I, like you, appreciatre having the right to be armed and be able to protect my family if needed. And now with the governorship, legislature and state senate in pro-2A hands (let's hope Kasich continues to follow though!), we'll hopefully continue on to better laws (i.e like Indiana, right jocko?).

I definitely agree the holy grail is DL like, federally mandated reciprocity. I agree it's a dream, but at least it's now a dream as opposed to totally unthinkable.

Would federally mandated reciprocity be fantastic, yes, but it's not holy grail land. I'd still have to disarm in Illinois! Holy grail territory would be the right to carry without need for a license or extra regulation at all. I don't need a permit to go to church, I don't need a permit to write for or read a newspaper, I shouldn't be required to get a permit to carry and defend myself and my family. That would be holy grail territory (yes, some states now have that, but I'm speaking nationally). Ohio's now considering a new law with just such a provision but I don't think the votes are there for it.