Are you always armed?

[Michael W.]

I think Bud's would be a LOT cheaper than Davidson's. Just saying...Could be wrong...

P32 $237 + FS
P3AT $240 + FS

Kel-Tec P-32 Cerakote Tan - Bud's Inventory = 0

Let's say it was $250 (very likely more) at Bud's + 3% Credit Card fee =
$257.50 (I never do ANY internet transactions without the protection of
a credit card) Let's say it ships free from Bud's to nearest FFL that won't
rape me. That's 18 miles + 2.50 in tolls each way plus gas + $25 FFL. = let's call it $292.50

Kel-Tec P-32 Cerakote Tan Davidson's Inventory = 12
Delivered to a Davidson's dealer near me. 9 miles, no toll roads.
Total out the door price $295.51

So save $3 for a gun that's not in stock?

Never second guess a man's choices until you've lived in his
"big boy pants"......just sayin....

Michael-

[mr surveyor]

hey, Big Boy, how's them pants fittin'?

you done good analyzing the "cost". Personally I ain't gonna order anything over the net if I can get one of my ffl buds to do it. I'd lots rather make the 10 minute drive just around the corner and let my bud make his meager 10% than deal with the other hassles... besides, it keeps 'em local.

surv

[Michael W.]

hey, Big Boy, how's them pants fittin'?

you done good analyzing the "cost". Personally I ain't gonna order anything over the net if I can get one of my ffl buds to do it. I'd lots rather make the 10 minute drive just around the corner and let my bud make his meager 10% than deal with the other hassles... besides, it keeps 'em local.

surv

Man, I wish I had some FFL buds 10 min away...heck I wish I had a decent small shop that I could give my business too without having to bend over and hold the jar too. Having said that, I've pumped enough business into the local Orlando metro gunshops that I don't feel bad doing and online deal here and there. Plus, these Davidson's shops get the margin anyway.

M-

[mr surveyor]

living in a "small town environment" does have it's advantages. I have at least a half dozen small shops within 20 minute drive, and my favorite hangout that's 10 minutes away is farther out of the city limits than I am. He doesn't open his shop (beside his home) until 10:30 or 11:00 am, but hangs out there until after midnight most nights. I've spent many a late hour (and a few dollars) out there talking guns, politics, and other subjects, while enjoying an "adult beverage" and a hand rolled cigar. For several years it was 1-2 visits per week, until the obomanation set in and his business all but died after the "post election buying frenzy".

Those of us in "samll town America" have a difficult time relating to those that live in the "big city" conditions. I'm sure the it's the same the other way around. Most of us that grew up around here are just now realizing that the old adage of "if you can't find it at Joe's Hardware, they either don't make it, or you don't really need it" may not be so true anymore. Screw Wal-Mart, I miss "Joe's Hardware"... but I digress (as usual)

[QuercusMax]

I, too, have to agree with Jeepster09.

I have guns because I like them and it is my right to have them. I have a carry permit because I wanted to exercise my right to have one. But I have never "carried" any of my firearms - not once.

In over half a century on this crazy planet, thankfully I have never once been in a situation where I wished I had had a gun on me. Of course, such a situation could arise at any time, and I accept that as a risk. Life is full of risks, most of which can be minimized.

Someday I might just holster up and carry one of my little friends with me, maybe just to exercise my licensed right to do so, but here is why I have not done so thus far:

1. Like Jeepster09 pointed out, there are just too many lawyers these days, many of whom are out there just for personal gain (why ARE there so many personal injury lawyers advertising all the time?)

2. Until recently, I lived in Minnesota like Jeepster09. It does seem a very safe place, which might have colored my thinking. It is also true that in Minnesota one of the 4 considerations for use of a firearm for defense is that the user has the duty to retreat if at all possible, which is always the right thing to do because nothing good can ever come from escalating a confrontation.

3. Something I have always practiced, and that was dwelt upon at length by one of the best self-defense trainers I have ever encountered, is to maintain high situational awareness at all times, i.e. always be watching for, anticipating and avoiding trouble. Having lived abroad many years in countries where pickpockets and other such types were common, this simple practice always kept me out of trouble when many other expatriate Americans who weren't paying attention lost their wallets or worse.

4. Another thing that was impressed upon me in the self-defense training I have taken is that *anyone* who uses a firearm in a public situation - even if in obvious self-defense - is going to come under a lot of scrutiny by law enforcement and our legal system, and may have to endure a lot of legal consequences and costs even if subsequently exonerated. This can be almost entirely avoided if you are not carrying compared to someone who is.

5. And lastly, perhaps mostly importantly, I don't like the idea of living in - or even going to - a place where I feel that I need to carry a gun to be safe. Those are not places I want to be.


Make no mistake. I like guns a lot and have many of them, and I strongly believe in the right of US citizens to keep and bear arms. I just haven't ever found the need to carry one around in public to feel safe, and I hope I never do.

[wyntrout]

Depending on the situation, I want to have a choice if I'm ever in a position where I or anyone else might be facing death or injury... a choice other than awaiting my turn to be shot or whatever. The massacre at Luby's Cafeteria is always the first thing to pop into my mind... especially when being seated in a restaurant. These days some punks think getting rid of witnesses is a good idea and love being faced with sheeple who make their task easy.

Maybe you'll never have to regret being able to defend yourself or loved ones because you thought you didn't NEED to carry concealed. I certainly hope so, but I'm doing more than hoping... taking responsibility for my own defense and those I care about. Situational awareness and keeping up with developing situations might help you avoid a situation... or maybe not. I hope that I never have to use my weapon, but I'm darn sure going to carry one as much as possible... not counting on "providence".

I'm 65 years old and I want to be as much in control of my destiny as possible. I have no hand-to-hand fighting skills and have two cracked rotator cuffs from skiing, so I have no illusions about kicking anyone's butt, but I can sure as heck defend myself with my little buddies' help... and I won't be having any mental anguish over taking some scum's life. It's like on the battlefield... you do what you have to do to stay alive and defend your buddies.

Some people will die when they start trying to make that decision at the last moment... a fatal hesitation. I HAVE thought about what it takes to shoot another human being... and some people just need more than verbal persuasion. I'm so glad that we no longer have a duty to retreat from the BG's as they ply their chosen trade. Resistance, especially armed resistance, keeps a lot of would-be crooks from thinking everyone is an easy mark. Florida has certainly become safer for travelers with more CCW and better laws. Our state is just now finally getting rid of the illegal local ordinances and laws against CCW just because there were NO PENALTIES. Now the people who make and enforce those illegal laws can be fined personally $5,000 and even sued by citizens who feel their rights have been violated. Local governments are scrambling to get rid of those illegal laws and signs before the new state law takes effect 1 October. Our state has always had the preemption over local laws with regard to firearms and CCW, but there was no provision for PUNISHMENT, so the local bureaucrats and LEOs ignored the law... and when it was pointed out they were enforcing illegal laws, they said "So what? There's no penalty".

CWL holders recently got protection from accidental exposure of their CW so that they wouldn't get arrested because someone complained... "Man With A Gun". This was short of the Open Carry Law the NRA backed, but stops those who like to cause grief to legal concealed weapon carriers by reporting MWAG.

JMHO

Wynn

[Agent Smith]

Crack me up. I'm all for carrying in bad places but paranoid much? You realize literally billions of people have gone through their entire lives without needing a gun right? And that 99% who do carry will never need it? That you're vastly more exposed to other everyday risks you can't do anything about? Seems to be a lot of people here who don't understand the laws of probability.

[wyntrout]

YOU crack ME up. I'm not paranoid and I try to AVOID places where I think I might NEED a gun. I don't look for trouble and I don't see bad guys everywhere, but I do try to maintain my situational awareness, and in the unlikely event that I need a gun, I won't have reason to bemoan MY bad decision not to carry one.

You can have your statistics and they will be comforting, I'm sure, if you're unlucky enough to be one of those 1% or less who do encounter a bad situation and might live to regret it... millions do.

You probably think the police prevent crime, too, when most often they are putting up the crime scene tape and trying to see if anybody will tell them something helpful to help solve the crime... long after the deed is done... the proverbial "The cops are only minutes away when seconds count".

I'm all for law enforcement and supporting them, but they have no special powers of omniscience and can't physically be everywhere at once... especially if they are busy elsewhere.

Statistics can be collected and arranged to "prove" anything, but it will be small comfort if you're the "one in a million" or whatever that failed to take adequate measures of self defense when you could have.

I don't speak for "literally billions of people", I speak only for myself.

Wynn

[BuckeyeBlast]

Crack me up. I'm all for carrying in bad places but paranoid much? You realize literally billions of people have gone through their entire lives without needing a gun right? And that 99% who do carry will never need it? That you're vastly more exposed to other everyday risks you can't do anything about? Seems to be a lot of people here who don't understand the laws of probability.

Not paranoid, prepared. You realize literally millions of people have been murdered in their homes, right? And that 1 out of 100 people have used their concealed handgun to defend their life or the lives of their family, and without that they may be dead? Do you realize that more people are murdered in schools than are murdered in gun stores? Seems to me that you don't understand the laws of reality. You crack me up.

[ltxi]

Crack me up. I'm all for carrying in bad places but paranoid much? You realize literally billions of people have gone through their entire lives without needing a gun right? And that 99% who do carry will never need it? That you're vastly more exposed to other everyday risks you can't do anything about? Seems to be a lot of people here who don't understand the laws of probability.

What you say is undoubtedly, statistically true. In fact, particularly when it comes to non-professional carry, probably more like 99.99% and greater will never need to use lethal force in defense. But just like all other statistics none of that means much when it's suddenly you. Still alive, I make no apologies for what you dismiss as paranoia.

[Barth]

Not paranoid, prepared. You realize literally millions of people have been murdered in their homes, right? And that 1 out of 100 people have used their concealed handgun to defend their life or the lives of their family, and without that they may be dead? Do you realize that more people are murdered in schools than are murdered in gun stores? Seems to me that you don't understand the laws of reality. You crack me up.

For me, it's ironic how some people literally throw their money away on the astronomical odds of a lottery.
But others think a 1 in 100 chance is acceptable risk to take with their own life. Or the lives of their loved ones.

Why take unnecessary risk with something priceless?

[LaP]

For me, it's ironic how some people literally throw their money away on the astronomical odds of a lottery.
But others think a 1 in 100 chance is acceptable risk to take with their own life. Or the lives of their loved ones.

Man, you hit it on the head.
People will take chances on the longest odds but, refuse to take precautions for something that is more likely to happen.
Seat belts anyone???!!!

Why do we do this?

[jdlott74]

Crack me up. I'm all for carrying in bad places but paranoid much? You realize literally billions of people have gone through their entire lives without needing a gun right? And that 99% who do carry will never need it? That you're vastly more exposed to other everyday risks you can't do anything about? Seems to be a lot of people here who don't understand the laws of probability.

That might be true, but it's better to have one and not need it than to not have one and need it. The cops can't be there at the exact second something happens and it will all come down to you needing to use it and you could be dead by the time the cops get there.

[LaP]

That might be true, but it's better to have one and not need it than to not have one and need it. The cops can't be there at the exact second something happens and it will all come down to you needing to use it and you could be dead by the time the cops get there.

Why do I carry a gun?
Because I can't carry a cop.

[jdlott74]

Why do I carry a gun?
Because I can't carry a cop.

LOL, SO very true...Hopefully here soon I'll be carrying both....jlottmc will hopefully soon be getting into the academy...