I had to shoot

[jocko]

everyone should be entitled to their opinions and not be hammered over it because his opinion does not run with yours. This thread should be put to bed for it has started out alittle civil and is now getting more uncivil.

I have seen alot of this and probalby myself been guility of some myself Jim K and I go round and round but we do seem to be civil and we both have our own opinions, we shold try to respect that before the chief moderator come sinto play and solves the issue for all of us...My 2 cents YMMV.

[pacific nw guy]

thanks

Seriously, you sound like someone who should NOT carry a weapon. What "could" happen, could happen with any shooting, be it military, police or self defense. We are all aware that you are responsible for your bullet where ever it may hit. This case is pretty cut and dried and I'm sure he doesn't need you to tell him what may come up in court. Also, just like him, when you respond to a public topic, you also are up for criticism. Just like those you assume are too ready to shoot, those never ready to shoot may as well not be armed because it sounds like there is no situation you would condone shooting, so why bother being here or armed at all? I also can't wait to shoot my guns, but in the woods at targets. You are labeling conceal carriers as wild cards and that is not correct, I challenge you to find any instances of conceal carriers being charged for defending themselves or reckless behavior because it's not there. I have never heard of any. I read a great article in one of my gun magazines, It was written by a LEO who said he had known a few officers, like you, who blinked in crisis situations instead of jumping in to fight. He made a good point, if you have no will to fight, then do something else, your not good to LE. I believe it's the same with carrying concealed, if you're not willing to use it to defend yourself, then don't carry.

I appreciate your feedback. have a great new year.

[Chief Joseph]

I appreciate your feedback. have a great new year.

You as well, btw, I'm in the PNW also.

[Jim K]

Jocko,

I want to assure you that I do respect your opinions. If everyone agreed with me it would be no fun. I would not have married my wife if she was a wimp. I think I could trust you because you stick to "your guns".

Yeah we throw barbs at each other yet we do it in jest (I hope).

Everyone else,

I carry a concealed pistol. I have the view that it is there to protect life, my loved ones and me. I hope I NEVER have to use it. Carrying makes me more aware of my surroundings in order that I can avoid a dangerous situation in the 1st place. I have no joy in toting a weapon. Shooting at the range is very different than a real life situation that pops up and you have no time to think. If you carry I suggest that you cultivate a mindset of being prepared and being aware.

Please don't second guess anyone's self defense on the words of this forum. It makes for a narrow view of the world. There are too many factors to be conveyed by the printed word.

Regards to everyone, Jim K

[Wayne's World]

WOW, what an interesting thread.
IMO / my2 cents......
There was a clear and present threat, "known threat", non-human, ect.
I am a dog "lover". I have and have had a few family pets (dogs) over the years.
This (IMO) is a non-issue.
Dietrich - you did the right thing.
Anyone questioning the decision you made, was NOT there.

[jocko]

Thanks Jim, and indeed it would be no fun If I agreed with you, even though way down deep you do agree with me. but I understand, If your still married to the same wife, indeed I would rather deal with you than her, for if she has lasted that long with you then I would be food fodder for any argument with her.

but I have slept at a holiday inn lately and some day will read BILL?????

[Jim K]

Jokko,

Yeah, she's a tough woman and she can shoot too!

Have you tried the motel deep six? They'll put yer lites out fer ya.

Regards, Jim K

[jocko]

thats for u poor folks south of the dixon line, we uppers here in Indiana prefer Holiday Inn. Free breakfast...

Sure hope your wife shoots a good gun, THAT WORKS out of the box to. A Mr. and Mrs. Jim K posting on this forum would be for me to to much..

[wyntrout]

You have to work with the options available to you and make reasoned snap judgments in threat situations. I love dogs and used to walk my over-sized minpin at all hours of the day and night. That dog was like my child and when he got to the point that we or the vet couldn't do anymore for him and he was obviously suffering, my wife and I were holding him and crying our eyes out as he took his last breath at the vets office. So, I was very concerned with his safety as well as my own.
In Florida we're lucky that sensible people, along with the NRA, "crafted" our CCW laws and weapons in cars, etc. You don't need a CCW permit to carry a loaded gun in your glove box. They expect you to have bullets in your gun if you're carrying for protection... unlike too many other states. Also, our CCW is for "weapons in general", not just firearms. We can carry any legal weapons concealed -- guns, knives, blackjacks, clubs, chemical sprays, stun guns, etc. I chose to carry a stun gun as well as a Para P12 with 13 rounds of 230gr. Federal HS, and a powerful "tactical" light. While I haven't pulled a gun on a dog, I have used the stun gun several times -- no contact, just the light and noise of its arc kept the dogs at bay. If the gun were the only choice, I may have had to shoot a dog, depending on the ferocity of the attack. I certainly would have my hand on the weapon and drawn and aimed as he got closer. You can only react to the signs the dog is giving you. You don't have much time if one's charging and snarling. I have even picked up my dog to keep other dogs away from him, while kicking at the dog, but if it had started attacking me, I would have shot the dog... and felt bad about having to do that, but the dog owner is responsible for keeping his dog confined. Most areas have leash laws, but you still see dogs roaming about and not all have collars.
So, Dietrich, I feel your pain, but you did what you had to do at the time, and you're safe.
Wynn

OH! I prefer Super 8 motels... inexpensive AND "free" WIFI , as well as much better than Motel 6.

[Jim K]

Jokko,

Mrs. K shoots a lady smith & an Ithaca model 37 pump riot gun. However if you make her mad she can kill you by giving you "the eye". Don't forget the two most important words in a married mans' vocabulary; "yes dear".

Happy new year! Jim

[Jim K]

Wyntrout,

Vae victus.
Ademus jura nostra defendere.

Felix sit annus novus! Feliz ano novo! Feliz ano nuevo! Happy new year!

Jim K

[mr surveyor]

dangit, Jim, can't you speak Texan! I didn't understand a word you said.

must be a defective keyboard


surv

[wyntrout]

Thanks, Jim K. I get the gist of that, but I didn't study Latin. I chose "live" languages, though Latin can help you with a lot of the Romance languages. "Audemus jura nostra defendere" is the Alabama state motto, I just found out.
I used to consider myself a Texan until my wife retired in '96 and we moved to Jacksonville from San Antonio. I was born in Tampa and left at age six or seven. I'm close to 20 years total time in Florida now, which is only slightly more than Texas. Felíz año nuevo! (It takes a little longer to look up the ascii codes.)
Everyone have a safe and happy new year. Watch out for the falling bullets of the idiots spraying bullets into the air... and the DUI drivers. My wife has to drive home from work after 11PM tonight and then we can stay at home, sipping Beaujolais Nouveau as we celebrate the new year. She has one of those "gaze of death" looks and I warn her about "dissin'" someone and getting shot these days. I sometimes feign getting darts in my back when she gives me that look.
Wynn

[Jim K]

Sorry Surv. I must have been chanelling "Billy".

Hows about "don't mess with Texas".

"Rainy days and automatic weapons get me down". Bogota Colombia 1985-1986.

"Catapults don't kill people. Rocks kill people".

Best Regards, Jim K

[tv_racin_fan]

I think the question was valid myself. I thought pretty hard about it and more or less answered that question for myself before I made the decision to get the permit to carry. I simply asked my wife if she was prepared to shoot to defend herself or her family and when her answer was yes I was satisfied.

Honestly I dunno if I would have shot or not under these circumstances. I'd like to think I would have been able to handle it without shooting but then the question becomes do I not handle the situation and do I get to beat myself up over not doing the right thing when later the dog hurts someone else. If I don't have a handgun and the dog attacks me then I have to deal with it the best I can. If I don't have a handgun and it attacks someone else or my dog then I again have to deal with it the best I can. I prefer the I have a handgun and sadly I had to shoot the dog then the all to real possibilty that someone or someones dog is hurt because I don't.

I haven't the clue how I will respond if the time comes. I can think about what I hope I will do, I can even do some training but until such time comes I can't know what I will do.