Kahrtalk is very tolerant

[Russ]

I want to commend Bawanna for allowing a former member to vent earlier today on Kahrtalk. I hope if Allglock is still checking in that your next gun purchase will bring you much happiness. Happy trails. Russ

[beatlesfan]

I agree. Most other mods on most other forums would have deleted that post and banned him. I'd also like to commend Bawanna. Freedom of speech is a great thing. It's sad how the only place in America that you don't have freedom of speech is the internet, which should be the most free of all.

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[TheTman]

I didn't get that at all, I guess he was upset because the letting wasn't crisp enough for him, but the guns functioned 100 percent? If you take a magnifying glass to any gun, I don't care who makes it, you'll find imperfections in the lettering. I sure wouldn't sell a well functioning gun because the lettering was a bit messed up. I doubt if anyone but him would have ever noticed. Kudos to Bawanna at letting him rant, some would have shut him down at the mere suggestion the subject of the forum wasn't perfect. Someone in PA now has probably has a nice set of PM series fully functional broke in guns. Which I could get lucky like that.

[OldLincoln]

Don't know, but perhaps AllGlock is an appropriate moniker for him. I like Glocks, but also many other brands, but I wouldn't buy anything expecting perfection. I've spent time in the Dan Wesson forum and a few other high end ($2500+) brands and have seen issues. Sometimes you have to catch them quick as the poster must have changed their mind and deleted them. But even my "perfect" PM9 wasn't "perfect" until I made it so. I say it never malfunctioned because it didn't but I made it a better gun.

[Bawanna]

This is a perfect time to give my take on how threads that involve complaints or poor quality of Kahr products and others as well are addressed.

Johnh and Kahr by association have no problem with open honest constructive criticism. I believe the folks at Kahr do hear of the things brought up on this forum.

The key is open, honest and truthful complaints. A few of the recent complaints, well the chain of events and the repair process etc were stretched a little bit. One was a bald faced lie. I know this to be true. Still we let it go.
As has been brought up before, many times when there's a complaint they get a lot of visits and a lot of post. That's because we are trying to help the guy or gal get their gun running. Many times it's the shooter and not the gun. That's what we do here is help each other. We're trying to help the new owner work the kinks out. We're not here to defend kahr or make excuses, that's way above our pay grade. Kahr doesn't need our defense.

Occasionally we get a person with a burr under their saddle and nothing in the whole wide world is gonna make em feel better. Usually they don't last long. And that ladies and gentlemen is a good thing.

allglock, in case you visit, this last statement is not directly aimed at you but just a general observation.

BUT while these folks are here, they are giving Kahr and Kahrtalk a black eye. Again if it's a legitimate constructive criticism, maybe we deserve it. If Kahr goofed (and it happens to everyone) they will make it right.
In case you missed that last part, it was THEY WILL MAKE IT RIGHT!

I don't drink Kahr kool aid. I receive no compensation from Kahr or JohnH and what I get from my job my wife takes before I even see it but that's another story. BUT anyone who shouts from the roof top that Kahr doesn't care, that they put out a POS gun, or have poor customer service I cry Bullshit! (that's BS in case the censor gets me).

I guess I felt the need to climb the ladder to this tall soap box because I've really and truely had a belly full of complaining and whining. Some I'm sure is legit and I feel the pain for those folks, others I know is just mud slinging.

Incidently I have it on good authority that even the 380's coming off the line now are A ok. A member here had a chance to shoot a brand new one with no prep whatsover and it ran flawlessly, was accurate as could be and had no issues. I think they got it figured out. I have little use for anything 380 but when my marble sack allows I might just buy one myself.

Incidently in case I haven't said it lately, I love this place. We got a whole bunch of really good folks here.

[Barth]

Thanks from the community

And Bawanna,
You are one of the good folks that make sure it stays that way.
Be very sure we all apreciate everything you do.
I know I do.

Barth

[CharlieW]

+1 !!

[JFootin]

+2 5/8 !!

[sierrajb]

+++infinity!

As a newbie to guns, concealed carry, and Kahrtalk, I owe this forum so much in return for sharing their wisdom, patience, kindness, and understanding. Men like Bawanna are worth their weight in gold, and this forum is packed with that caliber of men! Those who have posted earlier in this post are to name a few!

Thanks, Bawanna, Kahr, and everyone at Kahrtalk. You had me at "welcome."

[Rainman48314]

My impression of this forum is that it is much more civil and therefore friendly than most. It probably has fewer members than the big name forums but that allows for a greater sense of community. We get to know each other better as people. I even suspect there are a lot of active members and lurkers who don't own Kahrs but enjoy this forum. I know that if I ever lost or sold my PM9, I would still stop in regularly.

[DPGreen]

Well, I am brand new to Kahr and this forum (about a week). All I can say is that I own a lot of different types of handguns (Sig, Bersa, Walther, and more) and frequent a lot of forums. This seems to be a VERY objective forum... people are willing to openly discuss problems and that is what makes it helpful. I appreciate good moderators who know how to allow honest discussion of issues but keep out the personal attacks and trashing the entire company based on one bad experience. In some ways it helps to verify the reality of all the good things people say (i.e. that the forum is not "rigged") by allowing the dissent. I personally have been impressed with what I have read about the company making things right when customers are not happy. But I do wish they would blacken the magazines from the factory

[O'Dell]

absolute proof that this forum is tolerant - they tolerate me,..........more or less.

[QuercusMax]

My impression of this forum is that it is much more civil and therefore friendly than most. It probably has fewer members than the big name forums but that allows for a greater sense of community. We get to know each other better as people. I even suspect there are a lot of active members and lurkers who don't own Kahrs but enjoy this forum. I know that if I ever lost or sold my PM9, I would still stop in regularly.

I think this is a very good description of the difference between KahrTalk and the other boards.

The "bigger" boards that I also visit from time to time seem so big and impersonal that one feels lost in the crowd. Most of them have so many threads and so many members that very little good discussion develops. I notice many "threads" that aren't threads at all - just a single post with no response, or a few lame responses from someone who doesn't care or doesn't know.

I came to KahrTalk earlier this year when I had gotten my first Kahr and was having some problems adjusting to it. People gave me good advice, so I have continued to stick around even though my lone Kahr (so far - that might change as I work my way through my wish list) is still outnumbered by Colts, Berettas, and others. Much of the discussion here about other Kahr models and off-topic items is not always of immediate interest to me, but every so often a useful or interesting tidbit shows up that keeps my interest going.

And who knows, I might need to double the size of my Kahr arsenal before long, and all that discussion of "other" Kahr models might suddenly become very relevant. Plus it's just fun to talk about guns.

[kramm]

I like this forum. Bawanna does a great job as moderator.
I belong to a few other forums and they are fine too. This one is different because of the people who run it and the members on it.

[ripley16]

Unless I mssed something, Allglock kept his comments civil, factual and on topic. Shouldn't that be the acceptable norm? Whether he's happy with the customer service recieved or not is truely a legitamate topic on a gun forum. I applaud tolerance, especially when the gun maker in question is footing the bill, but I have to say, I've seen much more crude, harsh and unfounded complaint on other forums, also without censorship.

Allglock's temper seemed quite mild and mannered, at least IMO.