Ballistic "Fingerprints"

[MO_Soldier]

Two States, Maryland and New York require guns shipped into the State, to provide a spent shell so an image can be captured for a database.

Connecticut does it for guns used by Police or recovered by Police only,

California uses micro-stamping. Cases get marked upon fire with gun type and serial number!

Everyone else is lots smarter and saved millions $$$$$$

Wow great information! Did you find all of this from 1 source? What is it?
California's idea is a cool one(note the differences between cool and smart). A perp could just grind that stamping mechanism down, or buy a new barrel, etc.

[Bawanna]

I've heard of plans to serialize ammunition. Actually stamped into cases. Adding of course millions to the cost of manufacturing ammo. Reloaders would be out of business from what I heard.
Ranges would be called upon to make sure only the serialized ammo was used.

Haven't heard anything about this for a long time so hopefully it all just went away if we're lucky.

MO, don't lose any sleep over the whole case thing. It's not your responsibility. It's a non issue.

[TriggerMan]

States with dumb laws

Wow great information! Did you find all of this from 1 source? What is it?
California's idea is a cool one(note the differences between cool and smart). A perp could just grind that stamping mechanism down, or buy a new barrel, etc.

If I told, I'd have to terminate you with extreme prejudice or at least serialize your butt.

kidding, of course.

It's from a liberal website for lawyers hell bent on finding ways to screw up other states. They love the idea of driving up ammo prices by having serial numbers added and complicating the sales. Idiots.

District of Columbia just added themselves to the micro-stamping camp.

http://www.lcav.org/content/recent_d...Identification

[MO_Soldier]

I've heard of plans to serialize ammunition. Actually stamped into cases. Adding of course millions to the cost of manufacturing ammo. Reloaders would be out of business from what I heard.
Ranges would be called upon to make sure only the serialized ammo was used.

Haven't heard anything about this for a long time so hopefully it all just went away if we're lucky.

MO, don't lose any sleep over the whole case thing. It's not your responsibility. It's a non issue.

Ouch...that's ridiculous! I'm wondering how they could link that serialized ammo to a gun, and then to a shooter though.

Reloading would become like moon shining! haha. If that WERE to happen, whoever teaches me to reload can come to my 100+ acres and shoot any time. Whoever reloads and brings me ammo can come shoot per instance! haha

I'm not losing any sleep. My mind just races and eventually it stumbled upon this. Just another topic to discuss.

BTW Bawanna...I poked fun at you on another thread. Did you happen to see it? Just making sure I didn't offend you.
Post 39 http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9212&page=4

[TriggerMan]

MO Soldier

Just updated post 18 for you with a link

[mr surveyor]

lol shut up...and I can't accurately defend myself by saying that isn't my source because, well, I don't know what my source is! haha

Being scientifically minded though, I bought into it no matter what the source. It's also valid though, as others on the forum have confirmed state's laws mandating such records.

yeah, I used to do the science thinking thing.... then I learned all about Clif Clavin's "Buffalo Theory"....it's much simpler to adhere to when you start getting older

[MO_Soldier]

I'm not familiar with that one Mr. Surveyor...enlighten me?

[TriggerMan]

They are opposed to what we believe, BUT, this is a great resource if you dig in

http://www.lcav.org/content/recent_d...ments_2011.asp

[mr surveyor]

I'm not familiar with that one Mr. Surveyor...enlighten me?

well, it goes back many years from the silly sitcom "Cheers", but it made good sense to me at the time... this is Cliff (the Mailman) talking to his buddy Norm at the bar:

"Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the heard is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."



Need I say more


surv

[Tilos]

Mr.B:
You/we haven't heard much of anything about such things because the Oman is waiting for his 2nd term to unload his arsenal of BS.

He has even directed D senators and most Dems not to bring up anything gun related and said nothing after the Gifford shooting.

We can't let him get in as a lame duck 'cause life as we know it will be over.

Sorry to bring this up but it is relevent here.
Tilos

[MO_Soldier]

well, it goes back many years from the silly sitcom "Cheers", but it made good sense to me at the time... this is Cliff (the Mailman) talking to his buddy Norm at the bar:

"Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the heard is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."



Need I say more


surv

Bravo sir, bravo!

[tv_racin_fan]

Any barrel will leave a mark else the rifling did nothing. Unless of course you are shooting patched ball which then the patch gets the marks...

No matter how hard they try the tools get marks on them when being made.. all the marks are a bit different. Those marks transfer to barrels made with those tools... or chambers or what have you. Those marks transfer to the projectile in some form.

Tho I understand it aint near as simple as they make it look on TV to match gun to projectile.

As I understand it all guns come with the case.. some states require the FFL dealer to collect that case so you might never see it but it was included with the gun from the distributor.

[MO_Soldier]

As I understand it all guns come with the case.. some states require the FFL dealer to collect that case so you might never see it but it was included with the gun from the distributor.

Can you cite sources on this information? As it contradicts everyone else's statements so far.

[kramm]

I've bought new guns that came with a fired case and then bought guns without a fired case. At the same gun store. Asked about that one time and the store owner told me it was up to the manufacturer to send one or not.

[Bawanna]

Same with me. I never had a dealer that kept the spent case in those that came with one. Could just be my state I guess.

I'm finally expecting my 1911G MRI any day now. I'll see if it comes with a spent case or not.