Ballistic "Fingerprints"

[MO_Soldier]

I've bought new guns that came with a fired case and then bought guns without a fired case. At the same gun store. Asked about that one time and the store owner told me it was up to the manufacturer to send one or not.

So in your case it seems the suppliers used a blanket technique and just sent them to everyone no matter what state. Yet the other supplier didn't. Is that what you gathered?

Obviously it would be the manufacturer's choice to send one, unless state law required it. In that case they would have no choice, right? Or are you implying that they can document the images, and keep the casing?

Same with me. I never had a dealer that kept the spent case in those that came with one. Could just be my state I guess.

I'm finally expecting my 1911G MRI any day now. I'll see if it comes with a spent case or not.

Could they have possibly opened it and kept it without you knowing?

OOOOh nice! I want to look into the 1911's...they seem to be the most versatile and customizable pistols out there from my initial and VERY uneducated impression.

That would be very helpful. Drill the FFL for information on stuff like that! lol.

We have been provided the supporting source as to the laws mandating the casing documentation, but have yet to see a source arguing that all guns come with the casing.

IF that were true, and the cited information stating my state is not one that requires the casing is true, then I should have received a casing with my gun...but I didn't. So one must not be true.

[tv_racin_fan]

I don't think all manufacturers send a case with every gun... Some do some don't apparently. Apparently there are only a couple of states the require this so manufacturers may only ship cases with firearms that are legal to sell in that state.

Every newish firearm I have bought recently has one.

[MO_Soldier]

I don't think all manufacturers send a case with every gun... Some do some don't apparently. Apparently there are only a couple of states the require this so manufacturers may only ship cases with firearms that are legal to sell in that state.

Every newish firearm I have bought recently has one.

If you don't mind me asking;
1) What state do you live in?
2) What state do you order from?
3) Newish? I'm talking about brand spankin new guns from the manufacturer. Still with that new Kahr smell.

[Bawanna]

I just googled spent case with firearms and didn't get any solid answers. Some say they are proof rounds. Many agree with whats been said here and only a few states require them to be turned in by a dealer with additional checks. MA and Maryland I think were a couple.

I still stand by the don't worry on it. Don't matter where you buy it, you don't need it.

It's like the buffaloes that drink to kill off weak brain cells in the herd. Thereby making the herd stronger with or without a silly spent case in a sealed envelope.

One instance I saw in my search, a guy bought a new 1911 45 acp. Had a spent case serial numbered to the gun and signed by a tech. The spent case was a 357. Interesting.

[MO_Soldier]

Funny thing...I stumbled upon this article by the NRA.
Although it doesn't list states that do this, it goes on to say that no federal program will be implemented.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?id=233

[adam211]

Funny thing...I stumbled upon this article by the NRA.
Although it doesn't list states that do this, it goes on to say that no federal program will be implemented.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?id=233

that's nice source.

[MO_Soldier]

that's nice source.

Thank you!

[jlottmc]

The only states that I know of that require that stuff are New York, New Jersey, Mass. and South Carolina. SC just scraped theirs as did Maryland. They found it did nothing but waste money, and was too easy to change (just shoot a gun more than a little and the markings will change, or change a part, etc.) The encoded ammunition isn't gaining traction anywhere but CA and NY to my knowledge. All in all another dumb idea. As for makers including a fired case, since they have no idea where a weapon will end up most just include a case as a matter of fact. It is not a federal requirement, and is doubtful to become one. MO does not have anything of the sort and is considered to be a "free state" in regards to gun rights.

ETA guess I should have read the next page (I have my stuff set for mega pages) before I piped up. Going back into hiding now, carry on carry on.

[MO_Soldier]

The only states that I know of that require that stuff are New York, New Jersey, Mass. and South Carolina. SC just scraped theirs as did Maryland. They found it did nothing but waste money, and was too easy to change (just shoot a gun more than a little and the markings will change, or change a part, etc.) The encoded ammunition isn't gaining traction anywhere but CA and NY to my knowledge. All in all another dumb idea. As for makers including a fired case, since they have no idea where a weapon will end up most just include a case as a matter of fact. It is not a federal requirement, and is doubtful to become one. MO does not have anything of the sort and is considered to be a "free state" in regards to gun rights.

ETA guess I should have read the next page (I have my stuff set for mega pages) before I piped up. Going back into hiding now, carry on carry on.

No, that's helpful information. Thanks for the insight!
Do you happen to live in missouri?

[Bawanna]

No, that's helpful information. Thanks for the insight!
Do you happen to live in missouri?

Seek cover pal, you just accused a Texan of living in MO. Not a bad thing to me being born in MO myself but them Texas folks can be testy sometimes.

[MO_Soldier]

Seek cover pal, you just accused a Texan of living in MO. Not a bad thing to me being born in MO myself but them Texas folks can be testy sometimes.

Haha...Missouri has to be the best thing next to Texas as far as heritage and national pride!

As far as Texans bein testy, I won't argue. I've heard they like their Rocky Mountain Oysters....

[Bawanna]

Haha...Missouri has to be the best thing next to Texas as far as heritage and national pride!

As far as Texans bein testy, I won't argue. I've heard they like their Rocky Mountain Oysters....

I have to agree. If it wasn't so late in the game I'd relocate back to MO where I really belong. I got lots of people there. Actually my son making two trips (his first) this year have the whole crew considering I thinking. Just a better class of people. And they talk more normal too.
I can't comment on the oysters, I'm told I was partial to them myself in my youth although I seem to have lost the acquired taste. Can't say for sure it's been a long long time since I gave em a try.

[jlottmc]

...
As far as Texans bein testy, I won't argue. I've heard they like their Rocky Mountain Oysters....

They're best fried.

[tv_racin_fan]

If you don't mind me asking;
1) What state do you live in?
2) What state do you order from?
3) Newish? I'm talking about brand spankin new guns from the manufacturer. Still with that new Kahr smell.

Generally I have bought brand new guns and some barely used ones. In Georgia. As I recall all the "newish" handguns came with the "fired" case.

It's not a federal requirement...

[JohnR]

So if we live in a free state we can throw away the casing or reload it?

Does this apply to used guns? If I sell my gun to someone in Maryland (privately or via FFL transfer) and I don't have the casing, what happens?