Bad reviews outweigh good?

[chrish]

Since this thread is currently focused on the mid-sized Kahr 45, got a question for you folks that have BOTH a P/CW 45 and a P/CW 9. Is the grip on the 45 a tad longer or pretty much the same. I ultimately stopped carrying my P9 b/c I preferred the extra .5" on my TP9. I don't really think I want the TP45, but been thinking about adding a 45 to my collection and the P45 or CW45 look like they might have a tad more grip length than the P9/CW9. So just curious. If I had a little more to grip there, I think that'd be the sweet spot 45 for me.

[wyntrout]

I have 6 Kahrs and had 7... an extra P380 bought for my wife, who couldn't rack it.

I've had more than my share of problems with every new one... P380, PM45, and PM380#2, but between Kahr and myself, we got them working and reliable. I love them, especially the polymer-framed ones. I have absolute faith in Kahrs and figure that I can fix any problems myself with parts from Kahr on request, or by returning them to the factory on their dime. I have not seen anything better for concealed carry and I appreciate the compactness and light weight of the polymer-framed Kahrs.

I carry the P380, PM9, P9 with ported barrel, Mag-na-ported P40, and PM45. Some day I will have a P45 DLC with the night sights I want and will finally be content... until Kahr comes up with a K45 DLC with Trijicon HD Night Sights!

Yeah, they don't have the capacity of Glocks and other double-stacked-magazine autos, but I carry the largest-capacity-for-the-caliber spare mag (extended grip) in a Kydex holder on the opposite side, so I don't lack for ammo... almost as much as any one Glock mag for my home defense Glocks.

Wynn

[wyntrout]

I have the PM9 and the P9. Since sidelining the P40 with the new Big Dots, the P9 has been my main EDC. The half inch extra grip and longer slide/barrel are no problem for CCW, especially since I replaced the no-quite-flush-fitting polymer grips on the CCW mags of the P9... and the P40. The really flush-fitting metal base plates are better for CCW and I'm happy with the concealability since I added the metal base plates and the 3/32" thick 3/4" inner diameter neoprene O-rings to prevent pinches.

If I had the P45, I would find Colt officer's model mags that fit flush and functioned properly and carry that pistol all of the time. The P-series is perfection in fit as is the K-series. my hands are medium-sized and I don't mind less than a hand filling grip. I'm fine with the PM45 and wish that I had metal base plates for the mags in it. The T models are just too long, especially for CCW.

Wynn

[otium]

Since this thread is currently focused on the mid-sized Kahr 45, got a question for you folks that have BOTH a P/CW 45 and a P/CW 9. Is the grip on the 45 a tad longer or pretty much the same. I ultimately stopped carrying my P9 b/c I preferred the extra .5" on my TP9. I don't really think I want the TP45, but been thinking about adding a 45 to my collection and the P45 or CW45 look like they might have a tad more grip length than the P9/CW9. So just curious. If I had a little more to grip there, I think that'd be the sweet spot 45 for me.

Standing a cw9 and cw45 on their top including the sights and with a magazine inserted the cw45 comes in about 3/8" taller than the cw9. I measure the overall height of the cw45 at 5-1/4".

[chrish]

Standing a cw9 and cw45 on their top including the sights and with a magazine inserted the cw45 comes in about 3/8" taller than the cw9. I measure the overall height of the cw45 at 5-1/4".

Thanks, more wondering though about the area between the trigger guard and the bottom of the grip...basically additional grip length below the trigger guard. If the slide and frame are the same height, then that'd translate to the grip...but wasn't sure how that translated between the guns. If you line up the base of the trigger guards, is the 45 longer.

[otium]

Thanks, more wondering though about the area between the trigger guard and the bottom of the grip...basically additional grip length below the trigger guard. If the slide and frame are the same height, then that'd translate to the grip...but wasn't sure how that translated between the guns. If you line up the base of the trigger guards, is the 45 longer.

Nearly the same. The top of the slide to the bottom of the trigger guard by the grip is about 1/10 of an inch difference. The CW9 comes in at 2.5" and the CW45 comes in at 2.59". So that would work out to around 1/4" of the extra height is going to the finger side of the grip on the CW45 versus the CW9.

From a practical comparison when I grip the CW9 my pinky is resting fully on the magazine base cover and with the CW45 my pinky is not touching the magazine base cover.

[chrish]

Nearly the same. The top of the slide to the bottom of the trigger guard by the grip is about 1/10 of an inch difference. The CW9 comes in at 2.5" and the CW45 comes in at 2.59". So that would work out to around 1/4" of the extra height is going to the finger side of the grip on the CW45 versus the CW9.

From a practical comparison when I grip the CW9 my pinky is resting fully on the magazine base cover and with the CW45 my pinky is not touching the magazine base cover.

Cool, thanks. That'll do it. If I had an extra 1/4 inch on my P9 I think it'd be about perfect for me. Will have to add this to the shopping list. Wanted a .45 in the collection for awhile, just never seem to run across one at the LGS or shows to actually hold and compare.

[wsgrady]

Hello Gary, I know that every brand has some negative reviews and I just wanted to hear from the happy owners on the forums. Additionally I've got average sized hands and love the way this fits. Glock 23 has been something I have carried for long time, it's what was issued to me and I'm familiar with it . Good pistol, but with age am starting to lose some grip strength and wanted something that was more of a natural fit for me. Pulled the trigger today and ordered one from Gallery of guns for $339.00 with the lifetime warranty and figured I couldn't get hurt for that price.

[muggsy]

Hi guys and gals, I have not read every post here but it seems there are a little more posts expressing more negatives on Kahr than I would like to hear being a prospective buyer, what gives? I'm long time shooter ( and getting a little long in the tooth also) and picked up an cw45 and thought someone designed this gun just for my hand. After researching short barrel ballistics decided I could live with'em and started the online review of this pistol here and on the net and now wondering if I'm having second thoughts on the brand? I know some say more people will post negatives than positives when they are unhappy but please tell me Kahr has more satisfied buyer's than not. Thanks for your time and looking forward to hearing that new Kahrs are reliable and mostly trouble free. (Yes I did read the break in procedure on this forum and still read about many small problems.)

Hopefully a future Kahr owner...ws grady

The only opinion that really counts is yours. I'm very happy with both of my Kahr pistols and one might say I'm never without them. I experienced some minor problems during the break-in but all were resolved. My CM9 and P380 are 100% reliable and a joy to carry. Hope you find your to be the same.

[Sage]

It's true that you're more likely to hear bad news than good news. I bought a new SR45 just last Saturday. I took it to the range Monday and put 150 rounds through it with no problems. My first impression is that it is a great shooter and incredibly accurate.

Even though I own several Rugers I am not a member of their forum. However if the pistol had badly malfunctioned I would probably have joined just to gripe.

[muggsy]

I've tried very hard, but I just can't bring myself to b!tch about my Kahr pistols when they work so well.

[JimC]

I've tried very hard, but I just can't bring myself to b!tch about my Kahr pistols when they work so well.

Other Kahr owners have not been so lucky and their real life problems and experiences with their Kahr pistols have been well documented here over and over.

I bitched about my PM9 when it was new and it took Kahr CS to straighten it out and they picked up the tab 100% for it to go back twice.

Mine was more about the magazines failing miserably than the pistol itself.

Prior to buying my PM9 two years ago, I came here to read about the PM9. I wanted to hear the good as well as the bad from PM9 owners but I was more interested in what problems, the bad, the owners were having and how Kahr handled them.