I have a new Walther PPQ!

[JFootin]

The Value of My PPQ Has More Than Doubled!

A NIB PPQ 9mm just sold on Gunbroker.com for $1105 + 25 shipping!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=325719047

Now, we are hearing that Walther has decided to no longer import the original version (M1) with the twin paddle mag releases like HKs have. Those paddles are one of the main reasons that I decided to purchase the PPQ! The revised M2 version that is being introduced at Shot Show has a standard reversible push button mag release with huge bulges molded into the frame on both sides immediately below it to try and prevent accidental mag releases that can never happen with the paddles. The reason for this change is to make the PPQ appeal to the large majority of folks who favor the standard push button, or who have just never used or considered anything else. ("All my Glocks have push buttons and I don't want to get confused." ) Here's a pic -



The P99 will continue to be imported with paddles, and the paddle version of the PPQ will most probably still be made and sold in Europe. So, it would be no problem at all for them to continue to import them for folks who want that HK feature (advantage) without the HK price and make everybody happy. But they have decided to alienate a good portion of their present and potential customers instead of embracing them. Very bad business decision, IMO.

Now, once their decision is made clear to all, my "Classic" PPQ will soar in value far beyond that $1105 price! This puts me in a quandry. Bawanna, I know you can understand. If one of your pistols (not the Cbob) became a highly prized rarity worth $1000s, wouldn't you be tempted to put it on Gunbroker? I could sure use the money. I really love my "Classic" PPQ, but... What should I do?

[ripley16]

Keep it. If Walther really drops the model, then yours will do nothing but go up in value. Besides, anything you'd buy now would have the Obama madness inflated price as well. Makes me wish I'd bought one a year ago when I first saw one at a gun show.

[JFootin]

Oh, I'm in no rush. That one sold at that price on Gunbroker because:

1. The PPQs, especially the 9mms, have been in short supply for months and there are lots of people who have been jonesing bad to get one,
2. The fear of new gun laws and mag capacity limits (there has also been a run on magazines),
3. The dislike of the change to a push button mag release,
4. Rumors that the classic version with the mag release paddles will no longer be imported.

Now, I am hearing Walther reps at the Shot Show saying that only the M2 will be available. So, the rumor is turning out to be fact. The M.S.R.P. on the M2 version is about $100 higher, so they are going to be more expensive to buy, but that might be the case with the M1 versions, too, if they make them available. My thinking is that the Europeans will not accept or even be offered the M2, so the M1 will still be produced. If it turns out that only the M2 will be produced from now on, I am most definitely sitting on a gold mine. If they continue to make the M1 but don't import it, there is a fellow named Earl that might try to import them himself. But his prices are extremely high, so I will still be looking good to resell mine. Only if they relent and continue to import them, and enough of them to meet the demand, will the resale price drop back down to where I will just keep my gun.

I will enjoy my PPQ for awhile, put some more rounds through it, and see how things develop. I am sure glad I got in on that last shipment of PPQ9s early on and at a good price! Now we'll see what happens.

[JustinN]

I love ARs, went without one for years for various reasons, then finally got up enough cash to build one up here this past November. I spent a little over $700 making it the way I wanted (I can get frugal and wait out the best deals)....I sold it earlier this week for $1850. I may never have another AR now based on what they do with the laws, but I'd rather have the extra money in my wallet for other things. I love the AR platform, but I can find other options to fill the void it leaves.

[Bawanna]

Money means nothing to me which is great because I rarely have enough. I'd much prefer a sack full of guns than a sack full of cash.

I've never sold or purchased guns on speculation. I bought an SKS before the Clinton ban for 99 bucks, Russian, all machined, very nice. Wasn't looking for one, didn't care about them one way or the other but they said I couldn't have one. Never tell bawanna he can't have something, or that something is mandatory, it flips a switch, probably a mental issue.

It was kind of like the trinkets at the checkout stand at the grocery store trying to sell you one or two more items on the way out.
I could easily triple my money or better anytime but never gave it a thought.

[Barth]

Freedom isn't Free

Money means nothing to me which is great because I rarely have enough. I'd much prefer a sack full of guns than a sack full of cash.

I've never sold or purchased guns on speculation. I bought an SKS before the Clinton ban for 99 bucks, Russian, all machined, very nice. Wasn't looking for one, didn't care about them one way or the other but they said I couldn't have one. Never tell bawanna he can't have something, or that something is mandatory, it flips a switch, probably a mental issue.

It was kind of like the trinkets at the checkout stand at the grocery store trying to sell you one or two more items on the way out.
I could easily triple my money or better anytime but never gave it a thought.

I've only sold one gun in my life. And still regret that sale.
Never wanted an AR/AK either. I'm really a Pistolero at heart.
But like you Bawanna, don't tell me I can't have something...

Commemorative FU Obummer AK74 pistol and mags;

[JFootin]

Bawanna, somehow I knew your response would sound like that!

And, Barth, you are still a young man. If you keep buying guns at the rate you have exhibited, you are going to have to lease a closed down bank building and use it to store your arsenal. Probably have to hire security guards to keep watch day and night. LOL! You are an addict!

The thing is, if I can get $1000s for my "Classic" PPQ, I can turn around and buy an M2. WTH? I can live with the push button. Or I might wait until Caracal gets their act together and get a Caracal C - the only compact pistol I tried that I liked better than the PPQ. It has great ergonomics, it has at least as good a trigger and the felt recoil is about like a 22 - incredible, really. A tack driver at the range. And priced quite a bit less than a PPQ or a G19. So, I have some interesting options!

[JustinN]

I've sold many many many guns in my life, some I regret, others I don't.....I figure I can always try to get them back someday...or look back on fond memories.

My fear is like things from my child hood, certain foods, video games, movies, etc. I remember them being so so great, and then I re-experience them and wish I had just kept the fond memories....I'd hate to have a gun that I recall fondly, go shoot it one day and realize it is not at all what I remember.

I have a few "staples" I'll never sell. Heirloom guns from my grandfather (1890's guns), my first gun (ruger 10/22), first hunting rifle (Sportsman 78), my first shotgun (870), and my first pistol (1957 S&W Revolver in .22). Other than that, it's fair game. I sold my Springfield XD .45 not too long ago because I took it to the range and shot it. Did OK, until I picked up my dad's Glock 17 I'd taken and shot circles around myself....I like the design and feel of the XD WAY more than a Glock, but I just can't handle it the same, so bye bye XD.

I agree I'd rather have guns than cash, but I need cash for more guns....and when I can make over $1000 profit on a gun I gotta take that money and buy up other guns I otherwise wouldn't have. I'm finally getting to a point I've started "collecting" guns a bit more. Instead of buying what looks fun at the time (see my Uzi, AKs, FALs, etc etc etc) I've started buying guns I have a "use" for and will never get rid of. Hence my thread about a nice hunting rifle. I've been lucky...A lot of the guns I've had that I liked and sold to buy something else, my Dad bought from me. He doesn't sell guns...I can always borrow them to go shoot them, and eventually they will be mine again

[JFootin]

Justin, that's a great deal with your daddy!

I am on permanent disability and so my guns have to be practical for my self defense needs. My J-frame isn't going anywhere. Neither is my CM9 (although I might could get a pretty penny for it on Gunbroker). The TCP is doing good service as my BUG. My PPQ is a bit big and heavy for CC work. My intention for it was for home defense and as an apocalypse gun. The M2, or a G19, or a G26 or Caracal C would do just as well. Or, I can just stick with my 3 CC guns. The G26 would be the best of both worlds: small enough to CC and with parts availability and 32 round mags, it could serve for apocalypse duty. It's nice to have choices!

[Barth]

I have to admit the only thing that gave me pause buying a HK P30 was the euro ambi safety.
I quickly adapted and now prefer that design.
Have to wonder if a lot of the negative thoughts about it are unfounded.

[JustinN]

I always loved it on my HK. I have small hands/short fingers and could always work that paddle way quicker/easier than the buttons. For fear of sounding unAmerican, I wish more guns had them.

[Scoundrel]

My threaded barrel just arrived for my PPQ!

It looks good for the most part.
There are some machining marks visible on some non-critical surfaces, but the feed ramp is mirror smooth, the threads are good (tested with another silencer), and it seems to fit in the PPQ snugly and move properly.

It adds about 3/4" to the rifled length, so that ought to increase accuracy as well.

I'll head on over to the range soon to put some rounds through it, and next week I'll go to the LGS where the AAC Ti-RANT 9mm is waiting for NFA paperwork, and try it on.

[JFootin]

I have to admit the only thing that gave me pause buying a HK P30 was the euro ambi safety.
I quickly adapted and now prefer that design.
Have to wonder if a lot of the negative thoughts about it are unfounded.

It is a better design. I don't know about you, but I have had magazines come loose on several semi-autos over the years while holstering and carrying, because that side mounted button gets pressed accidentally.

I always loved it on my HK. I have small hands/short fingers and could always work that paddle way quicker/easier than the buttons. For fear of sounding unAmerican, I wish more guns had them.

Well, I have small hands/short fingers and a great deal of paralysis, and on top of that I am left handed. So I definitely find the ambidextrous paddles far superior to a push button on one side. I tried to reverse the button on a Stoeger (Beretta) Cougar one time. Not an experience I want to repeat! I don't know what Walther are thinking. The only reason they haven't been selling more pistols in America is because the supply has been agonizingly slow. Demand for the Classic PPQ has been off the scale ever since it was introduced. But I'll bet a lot more people have settled for something else after lasting frustration trying to obtain one, than have actually been lucky enough to get one. The paddles are not the problem. The problem has been Walther's slow, stingy and half hearted marketing in the U.S.

[JFootin]

Another thing that is angering a whole lot of folks about the M2 is that the magazines are incompatible between it and the M1 and P99. Lots of loyal owners would like to get the new 5" M2, but they own 15 of the old style mags and want a gun that can use them. What idiots to piss off so many loyal customers! :7:

[CW9owner]

Hmmm $1000 - I paid $579 plus $15 for FFL transfer in mid December just a month ago .Haven't even put a round down the tube yet - looks like I've got options here.