Mossberg or Remington?

[RRP]

Easier clean up of what, bad guys?

Splatter

[rhd04]

Tissue and brain matter

[ltxi]

yep...but I ain't putting more $$ for another/more shotguns and ammo. Rather pay more for the occasional more extensive drywall repair and spatter clean-up. Usually cheaper in the log run.

[DeaconKC]

20 has about 1/2 or 2/3 the recoil of the 12 and hits about 2/3 as hard. Good trade off for a lot of folks.

[JFootin]

I am considering a 20 guage tactical semi-auto shotgun. Something like this Weatherby. (Click it to see details.)



I want the reduced recoil. (This gun has a ported barrel, too.) And I want a gun that is ready to fire when I pull the trigger, not after racking a pump. Mossberg and a couple of other manufacturers make similar guns.

[jocko]

nope

Tissue and brain matter

no brain matter in Bad Guys. Just sayin

[ParabellumJ]

Mossberg or Remington?

Initially I was leaning towards the 500, but I have learned some of the models don't have removable forends. That plus adding a pistol grip makes the safety difficult to reach has me thinking the 870 may serve my purpose better. If I were leaving it stock I think I would choose the 500, but for a tactical build the 870 seems like the way to go.

[Planedude]

A good old double can be very intimidating and effective...

No click-clack of the rack, but tell me if the picture below does not say "get out of my house NOW!!" louder then I can yell it?

And it's K.I.S.S.

[Planedude]

On the 12 vs. 20 debate here...

in 12gauge, a 1oz load of shot = 437.5 grains. Assuming you shoot it at 1100fps (a common birdshot loading) you see a yeild of 1175.4 ftlbs of energy on the target.

In 20gauge, a 7/8th oz load of shot = 382.813 grains. Assuming again 1100fps (another common birdshot load) you see a yeild of 1028.4 ftlbs of energy on the target.

At an inside-the-house-like 5yds (15ft-ish) range, with an improved cyl choke, the spread of shot from either would be less than a 9in paper plate (tested by me one day last year).

For the express purpose of short range SD home defence, the 20 does not give up much to the 12 in effectiveness. If you move the range out from say 7yds to 25yrd, well then you have alot of difference. So the question becomes "what is the max range I expect to need my shotgun for in my home's defence? The police tend to use their shotties in a more offense oriented way (they have to charge into the fight) and so they use the 12gauge exclusively. In my mind, my SD shotgun is to keep the BG out and away. 10yrds is my number for my house and my property.
Of course everthing about range changes going to slugs...
What do I keep? A 12gauge skeet gun, but thats more a product of having it, being uber-comfortable shooting it and having over 2500 rounds of shells for it very handy.

Look out Zombie hordes...

[itsthelaw]

Also think either brand makes a great gun. I like Mossy and DO NOT like pistol grip at all. I have a breacher barrel on mine (probably useless) and AFG2 with hand break added. I prefer a full stock too. The handbreak and AFG really work for me. If you buy the Knoxx, make sure you get the one with recoil reduction, because they make one without. A lot of people replace the safety on the Mossy, because they do feel cheap. Make sure you pump with gusto!

[jocko]

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Initially I was leaning towards the 500, but I have learned some of the models don't have removable forends. That plus adding a pistol grip makes the safety difficult to reach has me thinking the 870 may serve my purpose better. If I were leaving it stock I think I would choose the 500, but for a tactical build the 870 seems like the way to go.

y gun dealin days the ossert was considered the poor mans gun. We didn't seall alof of them either but those little bastards worked perfect. Inever heard a complaint ever from them.

Today just not to sure of the above. Mossberg has come a very very long way with their shotguns, they make super tacxtical shotgun, even our Military has some of them. again the bastards work when asked to do so. It seems to me that Mossberg offers more in the tactical versions than Remington does. I would not hesitate ina second in buying aMossberg..