Glock 43 Single Stack Nine

[Longitude Zero]

Bigger = better? Not with today's SD ammo. Ellifritz study - .380 got a one-shot-stop 44% of the cases; .45ACP got 39%. 9mm got 34%. Carry what makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

They say the average gunfight is about 6 rounds. What do you plan to do with the other 23 rounds in your G21?

Study? Not quite a scientific study per se. That is the observation of a non-scientific study of what data he wanted to use. It is NOT the be all end all dispositive but the observations of one average dude. Average gunfight for civilians maybe. For an officer those numbers are way off base and not anywhere near reality. You have on foot in ice water and one foot in boiling water. On average you should be comfortable but we all know how crazy that sounds.

[WMac19]

I only have one Glock, a G19 gen 2 I carried as my duty gun for 16 years. I love it so maybe you can say that I love Glock. Like many others, I prefer to carry a single-stack for ease of carry and versatility, enter Kahr.

What's giving me a laugh now is all my Glock fanboy buddies who used to give me grief over the low capacity in my weapon of choice, and perhaps due to Glock's lack of a single stack 9mm, they really beat the higher capacity drum.

Now they're all salivating at the prospect of a G43 in all it's low capacity glory. People are funny.

[ltxi]

I have a like/dislike relationship with Glock. Reliable, durable, accurate, low maintenance, and inexpensive....excellent appliance arms. Dislikes have always been the too fat for my smaller hands double stack grip, the less than optimal grip angle that requires the user to adapt, and the lack of an external safety for what is functionally a short pull single action trigger. The latter dislike is fixable The grip angle I can live with after all these years. Fat grip on my G27 continues to present shootability problems.

I'll check out the G43 after the frenzy dies down. Being quite happy with my now six year old PM9 and two other 9mm Kahrs, and having just picked up two good carry 1911's in nine, I'm in no rush, though.

[Redstate]

I will definitely check one out; however, I doubt I will get one to replace my G26 or my Kahr P9 Covert. It really can't do anything my Glock 26 can't do. I rather have the 10 round magazines in the G26. I will just have to wait and see before I make any final decision.

[Pointblank]

With any brand firearm, when a new model comes out, wait a year. You don't want to be an unpaid beta-tester.

[JohnR]

All this G43 chatter makes me want a CM9.

[ScottM]

All this G43 chatter makes me want a CM9.

Ditto, well said. Thinner, lighter and probably a better trigger.

[marcinstl]

All this G43 chatter makes me want a CM9.

I'd trade a CM9 for a
Thunder Pro Ultra Compact 45ACP Matte Black Finish

[Longitude Zero]

All this G43 chatter makes me want a CM9.

Agreed!

[340pd]

Bigger = better? Not with today's SD ammo. Ellifritz study - .380 got a one-shot-stop 44% of the cases; .45ACP got 39%. 9mm got 34%. Carry what makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

They say the average gunfight is about 6 rounds. What do you plan to do with the other 23 rounds in your G21?

Although a great study it is outdated. A month ago, I spent a day with the boys at ATK, and the ammo they are now manufacturing shows the .380 to be well behind the new production of customized larger caliber ammo they are producing. Literally everything they shot at the gel penetrated to the exact same depth with the expansion being nearly the same based on the development of the actual bullet itself (clad vs. bonded etc.). The things they did with some new 9mm was astonishing. All done to keep the lawyers at bay.

The random .380 (from back up guns) we provided. was no where near its bigger brothers.

A very eye opening day for everyone at the demonstration.
If I had to guess, there will be a resurgence of 9mm as the preferred carry caliber for LE in the near future.

[berettabone]

Bigger = better? Not with today's SD ammo. Ellifritz study - .380 got a one-shot-stop 44% of the cases; .45ACP got 39%. 9mm got 34%. Carry what makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

They say the average gunfight is about 6 rounds. What do you plan to do with the other 23 rounds in your G21?

You have to put things into perspective, regardless of studies..............................6 .45 holes are always better than 6 .380 holes.

[JohnR]

I'd trade a CM9 for a
Thunder Pro Ultra Compact 45ACP Matte Black Finish

I happen to have one of those. I'm very fond of it.

[ScottM]

You have to put things into perspective, regardless of studies..............................6 .45 holes are always better than 6 .380 holes.

Agreed, but it depends on where the holes are. Most agree that CNS hits are best for immediate incapacitation. Short of that, shots which cause rapid blood loss and shock are next-best. The rest are just annoying and can't be depended upon to stop an assailant quickly enough to avoid being killed yourself. To to all that, shot placement is critical, no matter what caliber. One well-placed 380 is better than 6 missed .45s.

Personally I find a .45 easy to control in both slow fire and stress fire (well, a simulated level anyway), and since studies show that most engagements involve fewer than 5 shots, I feel comfortable with 5+1 .45 rounds vs. a larger number of 9mm, but for some reason, some people simply find the 9mm and especially the 380 to control.

[JGIORD]

You have to put things into perspective, regardless of studies..............................6 .45 holes are always better than 6 .380 holes.

Maybe in theory but not necessarily in practice. If I can put 6 .380 holes within a 2" circle right between your eyes vs 6 .45 holes within a 10" circle scattered around your head or chest, which is better?

It's all about how well you can shoot the caliber you have and shot placement. The older I get and more arthritis I have in my hands the less enjoyable a .45 becomes. .380's are a breeze to carry, especially the G42 or CM9. Geez even my heavy MK9 was easier to carry than my G26 but I shot the G26 much better.

Now having the G42 which is about as small and light as I would want to go and a G26 which is still an EDC, I see no reason why I would need the G43. So now the G42 will replace the MK9. However, after all the bugs are worked out I will still probably check it out.

[Scarywoody]

I'm a Glock fan and have a G19 and G23. I've been enjoying my Kahr CM9 for the past several months. The 43 is a 6+1 so no advantage over the CM9. It looks to be a bit larger so no advantage. The MSRP is $580 so definitely no advantage. For the friends in Kali it will not be compliant. I'm sure way down the road I'll pick one up used but for now I'm good with my Kahr.