Single stack Kahrs and the double wide 320. Your thoughts?

[jocko]

Well, Heck! That makes ALL the difference!

Seriously, I always thought, if I'd go for a doublestack 9mm, it would be a CZ RAMI with a decocker. My logic is that I'm really only interested in subcompact 9mms because anything larger and I already have .40's. But the Sig P320 in a subcompact sounds like a better option for me should I ever move forward. I don't mind the striker system...in fact I guess I prefer it. DA/SA was always a compromise IMHO.

IMO what I think kahr needs t work on if possable is an easier gun to had rack. Most nd I do mean most women and some ol men like ol jocko find these small kahrs a rel b!tch to hand rack. Hate to say to compare but layt any GLOCK next to a kahr ad see which one a woman can handle better, anyone damn foll can pull the trigger once the gu is loaded but getting to that first stage is very hard for many females. If their first impression is not a good one then u have lost her. Just my 21 cents.. and what the hell do I know, I call Muggsy my friend so that outta beur first clue.

[muggsy]

I've been called a lot worse things than yer friend, Jocko. I'll take that as a compliment.

[b4uqzme]

So my curiosity was piqued and I happened to stop in a LGS today to check out the P320sc. First, that trigger is nice and something you could easily get used to but hardluk1 is correct: it ain't nothing like a Kahr trigger. Second, despite only being 0.1 inch wider than my MK9 and only being 22.2oz (did I get it right this time?), the Sig FEELS way bigger and even heavier. And to me feel is everything. My MK has nothing to worry about. Unless I stumble across a PMJ9 . I will queue up behind Jocko and wait for an easy-to-rack, double-stack Kahr PMD9. But I'm not holding my breath.

[O'Dell]

I see no reason for a double stack Kahr, but then I also don't see the reason for hi-cap pistols either. I have fifteen pistols and only one has more than an eight round mag. That would be my 14 round HK USP 40 which I use for a HDW as it's too big to carry. Most know that I favor a 45, and if I'm not carrying a Kahr, it would usually be an HK45c, compact 1911, or a S&W CS45, all six, seven, or eight rounds, and all under 25 ozs.

[hardluk1]

No , the triggers on the p250 is not better than a kahr but lighter than on the p320 and would feel more normal to a kahr guy a smooth 6.5lb or less double action .

O'Dell I went 28 years CC'n before carry'n anything bigger than my kahr tp40 but one day you may be retired , older , broke down a bit more , can't run with a damd anymore , slower at changing mags and suddenly a softer shooting still lighter high cap does not seem so bad !!

After reading the real life cop story were he shot a BG from his car 14 times with 37 shoots fired and the BG still lived long enough to get to the hospital. Sort adjusted my thinking on what makes a better cc at this point of my life . So never say never . I did for years .

http://www.policeone.com/police-hero...mo-on-the-job/

[jocko]

I see no reason for a double stack Kahr, but then I also don't see the reason for hi-cap pistols either. I have fifteen pistols and only one has more than an eight round mag. That would be my 14 round HK USP 40 which I use for a HDW as it's too big to carry. Most know that I favor a 45, and if I'm not carrying a Kahr, it would usually be an HK45c, compact 1911, or a S&W CS45, all six, seven, or eight rounds, and all under 25 ozs.

I onlyt agree wit you because they would have to be more bukly to carry, but from a business standpoint it makes damn good sense for kahr to pursue this path to. They have perfected their single stack to the point of redundancy, . Just like their models with the xternal safety, some will not owe it but again some will indeed buy it, so why not offer both and appease both sides...I still bet we sill see a double stack kahr sooner tha later... Just sayin

[Armybrat]

Well, if Kahr decides to go double stack, then Justin Moon needs to pay attention to what Ruger has done with their SR series. My SR45 grip feels as slim as my CW45, and no doubt the SR9 would too with the CW9.

A "CW9+" double stack utilizing a 10-12 round magazine with roughly the same dimensions as the CW9 (only slightly wider) would be a hot seller, IMO.

And have a steel flush-fitting base plate.

Just a thought.

[Potato]

Just my opinion, i HAD a P230 Compact. Sold it shortly after acquiring my Kahr CM9. I personally like the feel of my CM9 better. Accuracy for me turned out to be a draw between the two...

[hardluk1]

If sig can make a p250 sub compact double stack that's only 1.10 wide so can kahr , atleast for a 9mm and 40 . never did under stand why the current kahr 45 has to be wider if a 1911 can be under and inch so can a kahr but I won't hold my breath waiting for ether one . I like my cm9 but would far rather carry a CW or TP I have . CM9 get more backup carry and mowing the yard carry than anything for the last few years .

What the cw9 double stack could have been -

[O'Dell]

What the cw9 double stack could have been -

If that Millennium was what a CW9 could have been, then I would have never owned my first Kahr, let along eight. I bought my first Kahr, a CW9, after a disastrous episode with Taurus. My compact 24/7 45 worked fine, so I ended up buying two more Taurus 45's. The first, a Millennium, had 69 FTF's or FTE's out of the first 200 rounds. The second, a PT45?, wasn't much better. Both went back to Taurus and were returned after about six weeks. Neither was any better. I sold all three and vowed "never again". Then I bought the CW9 and never had another problem.

[hardluk1]

o' dell You pore boy you . and That ain't the orginial mo-len-e-um and like some kahr whiners I don't care about your point of view of it much . But you messed the point any how . Kahr could have made a nice small double stack we could carry . With 12 brands of firearms and to many handguns with 47 years shooting I have never had a bad firearm !! 3 Taurus's included . CC a 85ss for 20 years . But I am smart enough not to buy a few models yet not a narrow minded about brands ether . hehehe

[O'Dell]

o' dell You pore boy you . and That ain't the orginial mo-len-e-um and like some kahr whiners I don't care about your point of view of it much . But you messed the point any how . Kahr could have made a nice small double stack we could carry . With 12 brands of firearms and to many handguns with 47 years shooting I have never had a bad firearm !! 3 Taurus's included . CC a 85ss for 20 years . But I am smart enough not to buy a few models yet not a narrow minded about brands ether . hehehe

I've got you in years shooting, brands and probably total number of guns too, not that that matters one whit. I didn't miss anything. Kahr has made their reputation for over twenty years building small, easy to carry, and dependable single stack pistols and they basically control that market. Why should they venture into markets that are outside their niche and compete with everyone else?

As far a Taurus is concerned, two bad guns out of three was enough to lose my trust. I don't think you'll find that I'm alone in that opinion - oh, I forgot, you don't care about my opinion or probable anyone else's if it disagrees with yours. Carry your Tauruses in good health. I'll stick to pistols that have never failed me, like Kahrs, SIG's, HK's and S&W's.

[JohnR]

Glock ventured out of their niche.

[O'Dell]

Sorta, but Glock is much larger than Kahr, and they ventured out of an arena where they had tons of competition into one where they had much less. Their entry into the single stack area was just a toe into the water for them, and that toe can be quickly withdrawn if it doesn't work.

[hardluk1]

o'dell If you have more brands and guns it just shows you have learn little thru the years . And again you miss the point , Photo is for a SIZE comparison . You keep drifting to your Taurus rant . WAKE UP. Only showed the damd photo for size comparison to a small double stack . I don't care if you have own some crap guns , really I don't !! I have met too many people that say the same about most brands over the last 10 years from s&w to sig to kahrs to rugers to fn's and it don't mean crap to me . Got my first kahr from a brand whiner that sounds like YOU its been great for years . Just like my 3 few Taurus's .


Kahr could make a small and lite double stack if theres of enough demand so people have to contact them and ask . But they do singles well enough it may not be worth it to them . Only time will tell .