Charter Arms Introduces snubby in .45 ACP

[TheTman]

Some one mentioned recently they were considering a Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog. Here is something they might want to consider:
Charter Arms is introducing a .45 acp version of its Pitbull line of revolvers using rimless cartridges. They already have a 9mm and a .40. They use a system that eliminates the need for moon clips. The cartridges are loaded directly into the cylinder. I think barrel length will be 2.2 inches.
It's supposed to be available very soon.

I was thinking of getting another .44 Bulldog, but I may have to rethink that. There are certainly a lot more varieties of .45 acp ammo than there are for .44 special, and it's usually less expensive. The .45 would also most likely give a slight increase in velocity and FPE.

I wonder what the Colonel's thoughts on this is. Would he go with the .44 or the .45?

[b4uqzme]

^^^ I'm not the Colonel but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

I think one of the advantages of a revolver is that you can shoot full cartridges compared to those shortened for an automatic platform. .44 for me.

[Bawanna]

I am the colonel and I have reservations at a Holiday Inn in a couple weeks if that matters.

This does indeed create some consternation for me. WMD was the original instigator of this, something I will hold against him for quite some time to come, that and my 625 that got away AGAIN!.

My initial thought is me being a devout 45 ACP fan, the new revolver might be a fine running mate. Wouldn't require an additional place on the ammo shelf for 44 Spl. I'll have to give this some hard thought.

I was fond of my 44 Spl and I'm sure I'd like the 45 just as much if it's close quality wise these days.

Show me 10-10 on the side consternating.

[getsome]

A Charter Bullpup in .45 ACP, now you're talkin!!! That would be the cats ars right there, no problems finding ammo and a round that's known to
Get-R-Done ....Holy crap I may have to thaw out the credit card for one of those....

[JohnR]

From Ballistics by the Inch:

Federal 230 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP:

5" barrel gives you 895 ft-lbs,
2" barrel gives you 754 ft-lbs. (theoretically)
Through a S&W 325PD Airlite 2.5", 807 ft-lbs.

So the 2.5" revolver barrel robs the round of 11% of its muzzle energy.

[Bawanna]

I actually wouldn't mind if it required moon clips or half moon clips. They are a pain at the range to load and unload but make a fine speed loader and not as cumbersome as a traditional speed loader.

If they come up with a speed strip for 45 acp, that might work even better being flat.

Since most of the time it would fill a back up roll for me, it really doesn't matter much I guess.

[gb6491]

From Ballistics by the Inch: Federal 230 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP: 5" barrel gives you 895 ft-lbs, 2" barrel gives you 754 ft-lbs. (theoretically) Through a S&W 325PD Airlite 2.5", 807 ft-lbs. So the 2.5" revolver barrel robs the round of 11% of its muzzle energy.

I'm thinking those numbers are for muzzle velocity.
Regards, Greg

[JohnR]

I'm thinking those numbers are for muzzle velocity.
Regards, Greg

Actually, they say the chronos were at 15' out.

In each case we fired three rounds of a given ammo at a given barrel length, recording the velocity of the bullets at 15 feet with two commercial chronographs. If we did not get two reliable readings for each of three rounds, we repeated the process until we did. Altogether we have fired about 20,000 rounds of ammunition.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/scope.html

[kerby9mm]

I bought a pitbul 9mm before Christmas & when I got it home I loaded it & the cylinder would not close. Got it back from CA & now the hammer sticks all the way back to the frame when using SA mode & just a touch on the trigger sends the hammer & trigger forward. Now I get a new replacement gun. I did get to shoot it between malfunctions & for an inexpensive gun it does shoot nice. I see no way that speed loaders could work with the rimless extraction system.

[yqtszhj]

Just when I thought I had all the guns i needed... sigh

[muggsy]

I am the colonel and I have reservations at a Holiday Inn in a couple weeks if that matters.

This does indeed create some consternation for me. WMD was the original instigator of this, something I will hold against him for quite some time to come, that and my 625 that got away AGAIN!.

My initial thought is me being a devout 45 ACP fan, the new revolver might be a fine running mate. Wouldn't require an additional place on the ammo shelf for 44 Spl. I'll have to give this some hard thought.

I was fond of my 44 Spl and I'm sure I'd like the 45 just as much if it's close quality wise these days.

Show me 10-10 on the side consternating.

I was consternated once. Prune juice helped considerably.

[TheTman]

Tuff Strips makes a speed strip loader that works for .45 ACP, as well as .410, .44, and other cartridges.
http://www.tuffproducts.com/TUFF_Qui..._p/7002-bp.htm

[East River Guide]

Actually, they say the chronos were at 15' out.



http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/scope.html

I think he was pointing out that the numbers you quoted were fps, not ft/lbs, rather than where it was measured.

For ft/lbs out of a 2 inch barrel the numbers are more like 3-400, not 7-900.

See http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto.html

[gb6491]

Actually, they say the chronos were at 15' out.



http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/scope.html

Thanks for the heads up on that.
The energy table for .45ACP is here: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/45auto.html
Looks like Federal 230 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP makes just over 400 ft-lbf out of a five inch tube and just under 300ft-lbf from a 2.5 inch one.
That puts it near many .38 Special loads out of 6" barreled guns.
Regards,
Greg

[CJB]

Small .45acp revolver.... if its of at least "decent" quality, I'm in!

So...how are those Charter Arms revolvers these days?