Do you think we have no chance in fixing the Broken Govt.?

[bob98366]

and the next move involves another manufactured crisis.

+1,000. Spot on and it will be as far fetched as anything so far but faithfully trumpeted by the media and other "experts".

[yqtszhj]

+1,000. Spot on and it will be as far fetched as anything so far but faithfully trumpeted by the media and other "experts".

And believed by the blind masses.

[JohnR]

And the Tea Party will be blamed for it.

[Sage]

Downtown, I would like to hear more about the business owner you speak of who has paid his employees every week and has been unable to pay himself a "dime" and yet owes thousands of dollars in taxes. And I would like to hear more on how these broke people are creating "half" of the jobs in America. If they're creating half of the jobs in America they are not broke.

This is typical of the BS that conservatives throw out as if it were truth.

[Bawanna]

Not BS at all. It's small business. Lots of people think small business's are made of money like big business, usually the small business owners care more about their people than large business.
Its more about providing a service to folks and a job for folks and not all about making money.

They don't have the cash flow to pay all the BS government stuff and insurance.

That's why you'll find so many part time only jobs very soon so they can get around this ovomit sh!t.

[muggsy]

Every business large or small is in business to make a profit. Businesses employ people who can help them to make a profit. A small business may take a more personal approach with their employees, but no business will keep anyone who doesn't contribute to making a profit. It's a symbiotic relationship. If you help to make a profit for the business, the business in turn will provide you with the means of putting a roof over your head, shoes on your feet, food in your belly and clothes on your back. If you don't help to make a profit business will give you the gate.

[Sage]

Bawana, many small businesses care more about their employees than large businesses. It's still about making a living. The part time revolution in business started a long time ago and is just continuing to pick up steam. It's not because they can't pay employee benefits (think Wal-Mart) it's because they make more by paying two part timers and not paying benefits. Small businesses have learned they can do the same.

You end up with a person working two part time jobs at minimum wage and no benefits. At minimum wage with two children you're below the poverty line. So what happens? The government ends up paying welfare and food stamps which subsidizes Wal-Mart who should be paying a living wage to begin with.

[deadeye]

Downtown, I would like to hear more about the business owner you speak of who has paid his employees every week and has been unable to pay himself a "dime" and yet owes thousands of dollars in taxes. And I would like to hear more on how these broke people are creating "half" of the jobs in America. If they're creating half of the jobs in America they are not broke.

This is typical of the BS that conservatives throw out as if it were truth.

I too hate the conservative BS. Kinda like - "You can keep your insurance if you like it. PERIOD!" "You can keep your doctor if you like him. PERIOD!" "Running the deficit as high as Bush did is un-patriotic. Un-American. I will cut it in half by the end of my 1st term." My favorite - "It's Bushes' fault!" or my other favorite - "Al Qaeda is defeated." How about "Investing billions of dollars in "green" companies like Solyndra will create millions of new jobs. We need more liberals to get this all straightened out.

[JohnR]

Downtown, I would like to hear more about the business owner you speak of who has paid his employees every week and has been unable to pay himself a "dime" and yet owes thousands of dollars in taxes. And I would like to hear more on how these broke people are creating "half" of the jobs in America. If they're creating half of the jobs in America they are not broke.

This is typical of the BS that conservatives throw out as if it were truth.

Payroll taxes, FICA, sales tax, property tax, local/state/federal corporate tax and on and on, have nothing to do with the owner's salary. If a company has a profit, it can continue to exist. If the owner takes that profit as salary, the company may not be around tomorrow. Profit is what's left after everyone and everything gets paid, including the owner. There's not always enough for everyone, so if the owner has to choose between paying taxes and paying himself, it's not much of a choice if he wants to stay in business.

It's pretty easy to understand.

[muggsy]

Bawana, many small businesses care more about their employees than large businesses. It's still about making a living. The part time revolution in business started a long time ago and is just continuing to pick up steam. It's not because they can't pay employee benefits (think Wal-Mart) it's because they make more by paying two part timers and not paying benefits. Small businesses have learned they can do the same.

You end up with a person working two part time jobs at minimum wage and no benefits. At minimum wage with two children you're below the poverty line. So what happens? The government ends up paying welfare and food stamps which subsidizes Wal-Mart who should be paying a living wage to begin with.

Walmart can only pay what their profit margin will allow. If they raised their prices to cover their increased payroll people would shop elsewhere and there would soon be no Walmart. If raising the minimum wage was the answer to the problem then why not raise the minimum wage to 100 dollars an hour. The only way to get a justified increase in pay is to enhance your worth to the company through self improvement. That's the capitalist way.
It has worked well for the American people for more than two hundred years. We enjoy the highest standard of living in the world. The poorest of the poor in America would be considered extremely wealthy in most foreign countries.

[downtownv]

Downtown, I would like to hear more about the business owner you speak of who has paid his employees every week and has been unable to pay himself a "dime" and yet owes thousands of dollars in taxes. And I would like to hear more on how these broke people are creating "half" of the jobs in America. If they're creating half of the jobs in America they are not broke.

This is typical of the BS that conservatives throw out as if it were truth.

Of course, you realize I didn't write the article...
However many small businesses operate at a "lose" for several years.

[muggsy]

Bawana, many small businesses care more about their employees than large businesses. It's still about making a living. The part time revolution in business started a long time ago and is just continuing to pick up steam. It's not because they can't pay employee benefits (think Wal-Mart) it's because they make more by paying two part timers and not paying benefits. Small businesses have learned they can do the same.

You end up with a person working two part time jobs at minimum wage and no benefits. At minimum wage with two children you're below the poverty line. So what happens? The government ends up paying welfare and food stamps which subsidizes Wal-Mart who should be paying a living wage to begin with.

Sage, if those people are so dissatisfied with their pay at Walmart then why don't they become entrepreneurs and start their own businesses? And don't tell me that it can't be done, because one of my sons did it. Businesses put up the capital and assume all of the risk. They deserve the lions share of the profits. What do the employees contribute other than their time? And they are paid for every hour that they work. They are paid exactly what their time is worth. If they aren't happy with their pay they are free to seek employment elsewhere.

[Bawanna]

"They are paid exactly what their time is worth. If they aren't happy with their pay they are free to seek employment elsewhere. "


This used to be spot on until the Union's came along. Now you get paid what they negotiate for you regardless of how hard or how little you do.

My last union job management want to give me a substantial raise, union would not allow it saying if they gave me more, they had to give everyone more.
Unions, excellent way to take away work incentive.

[chrish]

unions always have been and always will be a solution in search of a problem. they are pointless.

[Chief Joseph]

Bawana, many small businesses care more about their employees than large businesses. It's still about making a living. The part time revolution in business started a long time ago and is just continuing to pick up steam. It's not because they can't pay employee benefits (think Wal-Mart) it's because they make more by paying two part timers and not paying benefits. Small businesses have learned they can do the same.

You end up with a person working two part time jobs at minimum wage and no benefits. At minimum wage with two children you're below the poverty line. So what happens? The government ends up paying welfare and food stamps which subsidizes Wal-Mart who should be paying a living wage to begin with.

Salaries should be based on the market PERIOD. If you are not happy with your job or pay, START YOUR OWN BUSINESS. If you are having kids while working minimum wage jobs, that's YOUR FAULT. Just because you can't control your procreation activity doesn't mean tax payers OR ANYONE ELSE should subsidize your bad decisions. Wal mart should pay what their employees are worth, nothing more. Get so tired of this "deserve" crap.