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    Our Constutional Rights that is.....In the news today: The Surpreme Court ruled this week that Police Officers may enter and search a home without a warrant so long as one occupant consents even if the owner has previously objected and denied the request....

    The ruling based on a Los Angeles Police dept search gives Police more leeway to search homes without obtaining a search warrent from a Judge even in situations where there is no emergency...

    This case started when LA Cops knocked on a home owners door and asked to come in and look around...The owner refused and said they had no right to search his home without a warrent....They took him in for questioning on another case they were working on and thought he might be a suspect....Later Police went back and asked his girlfriend if they could come in and search for a weapon...Since she wasn't there when the earlier request was made and she wasn't told that her boyfriend and homeowner had already said no to the search request she said ok ........

    In a 6-3 decision the Supreme Court ruled that the home owner didn't have the right to refuse the search after his girlfriend gave the ok even though he had previously that day said no and he wasn't there to stand up for his rights...

    In the past the court had described the protection against home searches as the "Very Core" of the fourth amendment's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures and to search a home a Police Officer would need probable cause and a warrent from a Judge in order to do a search if the occupant refused their initial request under their 4th admendment rights...

    I wasn't sure if I should put this post in General, RKBA or here but it could go in any of them....As for RKBA what if the Jack Boots do start going house to house looking to confiscate guns and there is nobody home but your latch key 13 year old, is a kid going to know their constitutional right to say no? The Cops could just say "Well the kid shook his head so we went in"....They Police already use this tactic when a drug dog is involved in a search, They can say "Well Your Honor the dog gave an indication so we went in" What was the indication, waging his tail, sitting down, licking his nuts???...Truth is the sign is whatever the dog did when they wanted to search somebody....

    Don't get me wrong here...I'm a law and order guy and I support the Police but this no warrent search is crap IMHO....Bottom line is the SCOUS is supposed to be there to protect the citizens constitutional rights not bend them until the scream for mercy....Sorry for the rant but this just isn't right and we seem to be losing more and more of our God given rights everyday and it seems the 9 SCOUS judges are becoming the destroyer of and not the defender of the rights of the citizens....What do ya'll think about this?
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  • #2
    I guess, you'd better make sure you're all on the same page before you answer the door. Which you should be anyway.

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    • #3
      I agree Getsome. I'd like to think that the police would have no interest in searching any of our members homes except for that jackboots looking to confiscate guns scenario of course.

      That is my biggest fear and mostly what I'm prepared for. I doubt local LE will be involved, most would not go along with that. It will be Feds.

      So when they arrive its game on.
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      • #4
        Don't even OPEN the door!!!!!!

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        • #5
          Here is a place that makes a security bar for your doors. The bar goes across the inside of your door horizontally.

          Supposedly, they have a sale for the month of Feb.
          www.saferoomlockingbar.com

          We will be buying one or two latter today.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by getsome View Post
            Our Constutional Rights that is.....In the news today: The Surpreme Court ruled this week that Police Officers may enter and search a home without a warrant so long as one occupant consents even if the owner has previously objected and denied the request....

            The ruling based on a Los Angeles Police dept search gives Police more leeway to search homes without obtaining a search warrent from a Judge even in situations where there is no emergency...

            This case started when LA Cops knocked on a home owners door and asked to come in and look around...The owner refused and said they had no right to search his home without a warrent....They took him in for questioning on another case they were working on and thought he might be a suspect....Later Police went back and asked his girlfriend if they could come in and search for a weapon...Since she wasn't there when the earlier request was made and she wasn't told that her boyfriend and homeowner had already said no to the search request she said ok ........

            In a 6-3 decision the Supreme Court ruled that the home owner didn't have the right to refuse the search after his girlfriend gave the ok even though he had previously that day said no and he wasn't there to stand up for his rights...

            In the past the court had described the protection against home searches as the "Very Core" of the fourth amendment's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures and to search a home a Police Officer would need probable cause and a warrent from a Judge in order to do a search if the occupant refused their initial request under their 4th admendment rights...

            I wasn't sure if I should put this post in General, RKBA or here but it could go in any of them....As for RKBA what if the Jack Boots do start going house to house looking to confiscate guns and there is nobody home but your latch key 13 year old, is a kid going to know their constitutional right to say no? The Cops could just say "Well the kid shook his head so we went in"....They Police already use this tactic when a drug dog is involved in a search, They can say "Well Your Honor the dog gave an indication so we went in" What was the indication, waging his tail, sitting down, licking his nuts???...Truth is the sign is whatever the dog did when they wanted to search somebody....

            Don't get me wrong here...I'm a law and order guy and I support the Police but this no warrent search is crap IMHO....Bottom line is the SCOUS is supposed to be there to protect the citizens constitutional rights not bend them until the scream for mercy....Sorry for the rant but this just isn't right and we seem to be losing more and more of our God given rights everyday and it seems the 9 SCOUS judges are becoming the destroyer of and not the defender of the rights of the citizens....What do ya'll think about this?

            I agree with the timbre of your post BUT this guy is no Sunday School teacher either from the narrative you wrote. A suspect on another case? That aside, I have a problem whenever our 4A being disregarded too but I do not feel that this is one of those times. Obviously the SCOTUS did not either.
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            • #7
              Sorry, even the f-ups have rights in my humble opinion. Innocent until proven guilty. And I don't think it's the court's decision to decide that the constitution doesn't apply just because this guy is a scumbag. And furthermore I don't want to see them getting off on a "bad search" technicality. So I hope law enforcement gets their act together. Just do the job right and there is no issue.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by berettabone View Post
                I guess, you'd better make sure you're all on the same page before you answer the door. Which you should be anyway.
                +1 I agree. Teach your family what to do or what not to do.
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                • #9
                  This just says if you're not there, and someone else who lives there lets the cops in, too bad for you. Its what everybody assumed, and a different result would have been a big surprise. If you're there and object, that's conclusive as to you even if somebody else says ok.
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                  • #10
                    The problem is the home owner had already said no to the Police but wasn't there when the cops went back because they had taken him in for questioning on another case...To me if the homeowner says no once then no means no period, go get a warrent plain and simple, not no but you can go back and keep trying until somebody is intimidated into saying yes....Obviously they knew something about this guy to want to search his place and I'm pretty sure he was guilty of something or they wouldn't have even been there but the law is the law even for a suspect...When he told them to get a warrent that's what they should have done and not try and side step the law no matter who he was because even turds have constitutional rights ....

                    I support the Police and give them the benefit of a doubt when dealing with criminals and I seriously doubt they go around wanting to search a place unless they have a pretty good idea something is up BUT we saw how things went in Boston when the 4th got kicked to the curb and what I worry about is how the ATF will use this interpretation of the law when they start coming around to collect our guns or to look for guns we refused to register....

                    I fear that day is coming soon...
                    " An armed society is a polite society".... Robert A. Heinlein

                    Born under a bad sign with a blue moon in your eyes.......

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                    • #11
                      no diff if you are driving and a LEO asks to search your car and you say no, then if the LEO pulls your car over later and there is another driver that says yes to a search(you are not there to object) ..what's the diff?
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                      • #12
                        Well, there goes one more right. The way the SCOTUS nibbles away at rights due to this circumstance or that, leaves me fearing they are going to essentially gut the Bill of Rights on little piece at a time.
                        We fought a war to establish these rights, are we going to have to fight another one to re-establish them?
                        Whether the guy was a low life or not isn't the point. The point is after he said no, they should have got a search warrant. Does this mean now that if some kid answers the door and says they can have a look around, will they go ahead and come in on the permission of a minor? Or what if no one was home the 2nd time, would they have moved on, or kicked the door in claiming they heard some suspicious activity? Why am I not surprised this happened in LA. Seems like a lot of questionable things happen there. I can't really fault the police for being aggressive with all the gang activity there. It's better to face a police brutality charges than to go end up in the morgue. I just wish they would ease up some on the homeless and mentally challenged. Instead of assuming some is on drugs. And it wouldn't hurt to know when to stop a beating either, it seems once the billy clubs come out, they don't get put away again until the suspect is totally knocked out or near death in some instances.
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                        • #13
                          I do not feel that it is right for anyone to beat people, homeless or not, if they are not posing a threat, but I thought this thread was about the erosion of our rights and not police brutality.
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                          • #14
                            Is there a link o the article ?

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by jg rider View Post
                              Is there a link o the article ?

                              Here is the actual decision. It's 33 pages long, but it's condensed in the syllabus (official summary) which is the first 2 pages.

                              http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...-7822_he4l.pdf
                              Rest in peace Muggsy

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