A history of the Illuminati, and New World Order, what's happening now, future plans

[JohnR]

I listened again and couldn't find where I thought he said Democrats were against the NWO. Must have been dozing off and imagined it.

I can't disagree with anything he said, really.

[muggsy]

The Illuminati only exists in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

[apheod]

Says the guy who believes all kinds of right wing nut job conspiracies, as long as Breitbart says it's legit.

[TheTman]

Muggs, just keep your head in the sand, and everything will be ok. They want people to believe they don't exist.

[TheTman]

BTW, the Illuminati is a separate organization, but is often used as to refer to the Globalist Banksters, and New World Order types, the ones that want a one world government and religion.
The world would be much better place if they placed a bounty on the heads of the Rothchilds, Rockefellers, and their ilk. The Rothchiklds control and enormous proportion of the world's wealth. All one has to do is read parts of Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike, one of Masonry's most revered members, to see that he was a Luciferian. I dropped all ties with the Mason's and Shriners after reading this in the Library at the Scottish Rite Temple Library. I burned my apron and Fez, and most things I could find with the Masonic or Shrine emblem on them. The things that won't burn I am going to dispose of in the trash I guess.
I have a couple of gold rings that I am going to demolish the Square and Compass from, then sell as scrap gold or use to barter with. And a sliver two headed eagle symbol of the Scottish Rite that I am going to hammer into a chunk of silver and sell for scrap or barter with.

[Longitude Zero]

speaking of elections being charades... anybody think the Scottish election wasn't rigged?

Nope I have many friends across the pond and it turned out pretty much like both sides were expecting.

[muggsy]

Says the guy who believes all kinds of right wing nut job conspiracies, as long as Breitbart says it's legit.

Breitbart is dead.

[muggsy]

Muggs, just keep your head in the sand, and everything will be ok. They want people to believe they don't exist.

The Illuminati was formed on May 1st, 1776. It was disbanded in 1785. Read all about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

[TheTman]

Like I said Muggs, the Illuminati is a catch all term for the New World Order, One World Govt. and Religion types. And just because they were "disbanded" doesn't mean they don't live on. I think perhaps the very top of the Masonic orders may consider themselves to be Illuminati. I know that 99.9% of Mason's will never know what goes on at that level, much as Catholics have no Idea what goes on in the Vatican. Ever heard of the Jesters? Probably not unless you are very well off financially, but just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist. Another secret group within a much larger secretive group. I'm not supposed to even know about them, I only do because a friend of mine ran the Hotel in which they had one of their pervert "parties" at, and asked me if I knew anything about them. He was kind of surprised at all the things that went on, when the local rich and powerful people get behind closed doors out of public view. It wasn't anything I would care to be involved in. Perhaps in my younger wilder days, but not now. Perhaps a better term for the "Illuminati" would be the Kosmokratoras, a Greek term for those that run the world behind the scenes. Whatever you call them, they plan on world domination, and regard Lucifer as their "God". Albert Pike, one of Masonry's most influential leaders wrote in Morals and Dogma, about how Lucifer was the one to bring knowledge to the world and deserves to be worshipped.
Here are some of Pike's Plans for the future (from when he lived). He definitely believed in the Illuminati, and was most likely their leader the time.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

[muggsy]

Like I said Muggs, the Illuminati is a catch all term for the New World Order, One World Govt. and Religion types. And just because they were "disbanded" doesn't mean they don't live on. I think perhaps the very top of the Masonic orders may consider themselves to be Illuminati. I know that 99.9% of Mason's will never know what goes on at that level, much as Catholics have no Idea what goes on in the Vatican. Ever heard of the Jesters? Probably not unless you are very well off financially, but just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist. Another secret group within a much larger secretive group. I'm not supposed to even know about them, I only do because a friend of mine ran the Hotel in which they had one of their pervert "parties" at, and asked me if I knew anything about them. He was kind of surprised at all the things that went on, when the local rich and powerful people get behind closed doors out of public view. It wasn't anything I would care to be involved in. Perhaps in my younger wilder days, but not now. Perhaps a better term for the "Illuminati" would be the Kosmokratoras, a Greek term for those that run the world behind the scenes. Whatever you call them, they plan on world domination, and regard Lucifer as their "God". Albert Pike, one of Masonry's most influential leaders wrote in Morals and Dogma, about how Lucifer was the one to bring knowledge to the world and deserves to be worshipped.
Here are some of Pike's Plans for the future (from when he lived). He definitely believed in the Illuminati, and was most likely their leader the time.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

My Uncle John, a marine who served on Okinawa and Iwo Jima, is a 32nd degree Mason. The Masons are know for their strong belief in God and for their good works. You need to do a little more research. George Washington and Ben Franklin were Masons.

[JohnR]

Muggsy, it's hard to know who to trust. Why don't the moderate God-loving Masons speak out against the perception of extremist Satan-loving Masons? All that secrecy doesn't really help their cause.

[muggsy]

Do you really think that it would help with all of the conspiracy theorists who know more about the Masons than the people who are in the organization. You can lead a horse to water, John, but you can't make him drink. Look at all of the evil bastards who the anti-gun liberals believe make up the NRA.

[JohnR]

But the NRA isn't a secret organization. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, I'm skeptical that any organization could keep such secrets very long. I'm leaning toward believing you about the Masons, but how does anyone know the truth?

[TheTman]

Muggsy, I was a 32nd degree Mason. Most of the members are good people. Just like most Catholics are good people. But the common members of either group has no idea what goes on at the very top of the organizations. The Mason's have a strong belief in The Grand Architect of the Universe, that refers to a God, but which God? They have members in about every country, and all lodges refer to the Grand Architect, not God. The Muslim members say the Grand Architect is Allah, Members in the Far East say it is whatever God they worship. By using the term Grand Architect, they can avoid any disagreements about what God they are addressing or serving. This allows Christians to visit a muslim lodge, etc.
Most Mason's don't bother to dig into the history of the organization like I did, and never come across Albert Pikes writings. Most Mason's join, because a friend invited them, and most get into the Shriners as quickly as they can, because that is the fun part of the organization. That is how I and most of the others I know got into it, thinking we were doing something good. Few bother to look into the history like I have. They just blindly follow their friend into the fraternity. So don't tell me I need to do more research. I had access to most of the Masonic writings available to the Lodges. And I DID do a LOT of research, hoping that the Luciferian stuff was a fluke. But the deeper I got, the more disgusted I got, not with the 99.9% of the common members, but with what goes on at the 33rd degree and beyond, that is why I burned my apron and other Masonic books and things I had collected over the years. As far as I know, I was one of the very few that ever even went into the library at the Scottish Rite Temple to actually read, many come in to show it to guests that are touring the Temple. Very few bother to read any of the books.
I have nothing against the Children's Hospitals, and the "Plane of Mercy" that transports kids and their family's to the hospitals. I just choose not to be involved with any more than the charities. I still do a few things with them, when I am convinced the money raised is going directly to the charities, which I believe are "covers" to convince the public what a good organization the Mason's are. And they would be a great organization, if not for the darkness at the very top levels. I was terribly saddened to learn about this upper echelon, and it's Lucifer worship. And to know that many fine men are being initiated into the fraternity, that will never bother to check it out. It is a lot of fun to be a Shriner, and few bother to look into it any farther. I made it to Marshal of the Provost Guard, supposedly we are to provide security for the Shrine, and it's functions, but mostly we take tickets at the door, and escort the Leaders and their party in to the various functions and parties. But even the local Shrines, have their secret society, the Jesters, that only the richest and most powerful members are invited to join. I only know about them because I happened to know the Manager of a Hotel they partied at, and he asked if I was a Jester, I said no, and asked him what was up. He then told me about the party they had in the hotel, complete with the most attractive "escorts" in the area for entertainment. I guess it was quite the affair. My friend knows a couple of the escorts pretty well, from setting them up with "dates" for businessmen staying at the hotel, and I guess they really made a bundle that night.
Kind of made me sick to think that well respected Christian, "family" men would act that way, but I guess once the liquor gets to flowing, that things happen, and everyone is sworn to secrecy, so no one has any worries about it getting back to their wives or families.

I know that most of the founding fathers, and Washington and his Generals, and most high ranking officers were masons, but I don't think they were into the darker side. Although I think a few of the founding fathers may have been.
We probably would not have been successful in breaking away from England, without Masons. Perhaps that was all planned out by the Illuminati types of those days. I'm sure money was being made supplying munitions to both sides.
The Capital was planned and built with a lot of masonic symbolism. It's pretty obvious if one looks at a map of the capitol and the way the streets are layed out. Many buildings have masonic cornerstones, with masonic messages on them.

Many fine men join the Masons, but very few ever bother to check out what they are actually getting into. I got into a discussion with an man that was anti-mason, and set out to prove him wrong, but my research turned up some things that proved him right, and things that made me decide to sever my ties with the group.

[JohnR]

Thanks, Tman. First-hand knowledge is always the best.