"Democrats" as seen by "progressives"

[marcinstl]

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/18/its_...on_of_leaders/

Salon, everybodies favorite liberal news site runs a story about the near death democrats and the future, if any. enjoy. (don't be afraid to read the enemy, it's just research. excercise for an open mind.)

[AJBert]

Interesting read for sure!

[JohnR]

The author's mistake is in thinking there are actually a lot of "progresdive" voters out there in the first place. It's not a leadership failure, it's an ideology failure.

[ScottM]

And conversely by the same mag:
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/13/beyo...irtue_partner/

[marcinstl]

"But for modern Republicans, being downright proud of their ignorance has become a badge of honor, a way to demonstrate loyalty to the right-wing cause while also sticking it to those liberal pinheads who think there’s some kind of value in knowing what they’re talking about before offering an opinion.
This mentality, in its modern form, can be traced back to the Bush White House. In 2004, Ron Suskind of the New York Times interviewed an unnamed Bush official who famously pooh-poohed what he believed to be the shortcomings of journalists who insist that the truth matters more than fantasy:

The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”

The sense that you could stick it to the liberals by being utterly indifferent to reality actually grew worse on the right after Bush left office, starting with the adoption of Sarah Palin as a right-wing hero. Palin represents this new era of treating the truth like it’s a horrible force of oppression trying to squelch conservative America. Subsequently, any utterance from her mouth is far more likely to be a blatant and aggressive falsehood than anything resembling fact.
The thing is, shameless lying and ignorance works surprisingly well as a debate tactic. It’s hard to argue with someone who not only has signaled that he doesn’t care what the truth is but is downright proud of how little he actually knows. Such a person is not amenable to being educated. Once the pretense of really caring one way or another about what is right and what is wrong has been abandoned, all avenue of discourse is shut down."

well that's all well and good, something to consider, market research and herd observing is how the modern day hunter operates, being on the right end of the deal is the only important thing. always got a chuckle from Don Rumsfeld explaining his contemplations of the known and unknown unknowns. what a putz.

[89grand]

I don't give two sh*ts about either party. I lean heavily to the right (in my own thinking, not patterned after what Republicans say I should think), but the Republicans care as much about what I think as the left does. They're both my enemy, and should be collectively "our" enemy.

Most people seem to think, stupidly, or naively (to sound nicer), that our government, both sides, actually sits down and debates what is the best for us and the country, and they just can't agree, but they really try. What they really do is figure out how to repay their owners while benefiting themselves, and how best to screw us by making us pay for it, while making us think they are here for, and actually represent us.

[marcinstl]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6499798.html
"If trends continue, Oxfam predicts that the most-affluent will possess more wealth than the remaining 99 percent by 2016, The New York Times reported.

Drill down the numbers even more and you'll learn that the 80 wealthiest people in the world possess $1.9 trillion, which is almost the same amount shared by some 3.5 billion people at the bottom half of the world's income scale. .....more than 1 billion people on this planet continue to live on less than $1.25 a day."

the 1% have more money(power) than the remaining 99%. what do they control? everything. everybody.

[marshal kane]

IMO, of the two major political parties, one attacks the Second Amendment and advocates gun confiscation. The other does not, yet. Other than that, they both behave like typical politicians. But this is enough for me to decide who to vote for.

[ScottM]

IMO, of the two major political parties, one attacks the Second Amendment and advocates gun confiscation. The other does not, yet. Other than that, they both behave like typical politicians. But this is enough for me to decide who to vote for.

Unfortunately it's not enough for me. One party supports the 2A, and that's great, but they then go on to reject the liberties and opportunities of others they don't traditionally align with and actively work to supplant scientific inquiry with religious and commercial interests. It's appalling.

I'm not a single-issue voter and I swing my vote based on what I can sus out of each candidate, campaign and agenda. And sometimes I end up voting for the wrong person on both sides because the lies are so thick.

[Armybrat]

I don't give two sh*ts about either party. I lean heavily to the right (in my own thinking, not patterned after what Republicans say I should think), but the Republicans care as much about what I think as the left does. They're both my enemy, and should be collectively "our" enemy.

Most people seem to think, stupidly, or naively (to sound nicer), that our government, both sides, actually sits down and debates what is the best for us and the country, and they just can't agree, but they really try. What they really do is figure out how to repay their owners while benefiting themselves, and how best to screw us by making us pay for it, while making us think they are here for, and actually represent us.

That sums it up pretty nicely.

[Armybrat]

IMO, of the two major political parties, one attacks the Second Amendment and advocates gun confiscation. The other does not, yet. Other than that, they both behave like typical politicians. But this is enough for me to decide who to vote for.

Yet when Bush2 had a republican congress the first several years of his administration, what did they do for national concealed carry reciprocity?
That was a major fail, IMO.

[JohnR]

Oxfam is a hard left communist front group.

[marcinstl]

Oxfam is a hard left communist front group.

just for grins, what's your source for that info?
(back in the 50's and 60's the term "communist" was synonymous with the version of Marxism as put forth by the then USSR. greed always wins out over sharing and the Marxist dream never was and in 1991 the thing went south. welcome to Putin's Russia. in the USA these days there are farmers co-op's http://www.ncfc.org/about-ncfc/about-co-ops and for real commies ya gotta go to http://www.cpusa.org/ here's what they are up to http://www.cpusa.org/take-action/ . )

[berettabone]

I don't go by what I read, I go by what I've witnessed in my life so far.......................................most Democrats(not all) are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. As an example........I worked with a woman that was truly, a very nice person. She lived in my state's capital for years, the most liberal city in my state. She told me during a conversation, that she doesn't need to lock her door, because her neighborhood was pretty safe, and neighbors watched out for each other. She had a very nice personality, was very helpful and kind. She always stood up for minorities, voted Democratic forever, loved Clinton, blah blah............A few years later, she got a call from her daughter, who was locked out of the house. I remember her telling me that they don't have a need to lock their doors. I said, how did she get locked out......she said that some new people had just moved in to the neighborhood, so she decided to start locking the door..............you can see where I'm going with this. Their always helpful and well meaning until it's in their neighborhood. Democrats like everyone to think that they are for nothing but good in the world, and they do things from a distance that make them feel good. In reality, many of them are rude, ignorant, think they know better types, who are do as I say, not as I do. Some of the most prejudice people on the planet. Liberal Democrats are some of the worst people on the planet. Look to your current POTUS as an example of a liberal Democrat, and look what he has done. It seems that we're the enemy.

[marshal kane]

Yet when Bush2 had a republican congress the first several years of his administration, what did they do for national concealed carry reciprocity?
That was a major fail, IMO.

Sorry that was a "major" disappointment to you so evidently the Republican congress of that era was also not into national concealed carry reciprocity. At the time, I was glad to see that administration get elected. It meant the end of, at least for four years, the push for more controls, confiscation, and the primer shortage. Was living in California at the time and after 8 years of the Clintons, Schumer, Feinstein, and the like, the new administration was like a breathe of fresh air.