TPP-Trans Pacific Partnership. Secret trade bill, can't be good

[TheTman]

There is some Trade agreement called the Trans Pacific Partnership being looked at by congress, that I think we should be aware of. The secrecy surrounding this agreement tells me that it can't be good for the public. From what I hear it's an agreement by corporations for corporations which means it will probably screw over the general public and probably pretty bad they way they are hiding it from us. It's so secret, that congressmen, have to view it privately, after being sworn to secrecy, not to reveal anything about it. They aren't allowed any cameras, they can't take notes, or tape recordings, and can only view part of it at a time. If it did ANYTHING to benefit the public, then there wouldn't be all this secrecy around it. I think it's basically a way for corporations to increase their profits at the publics expense. Worse, is they want to put this on the "Fast Track" so that when it does come up for a vote, only a yes or no vote is allowed, with no debate, and no amendments allowed. Some are calling it NAFTA on steroids, and NAFTA cost us quite a few jobs, one can only guess how bad this TPP is going to screw us over. I'm sick of Congress ramming crap down our throats without us even having a chance to look it over. I think people should be aware of this, find out what little you can about it. And probably contact your congressmen and tell them to vote no, or at least get it off the fast track, and to let the public have a look so we can see what all is hidden in this thing. There is a pretty wide consensus among the talking heads that anything this secret can't be good for the public. I don't see how they can even do such a thing as keep it locked away and limit access to it like they are doing. Who has the power to keep something like this locked away like it is? The President? State Department? Speaker of the House and President of the Senate?
That just doesn't sound legal. Sounds like something that would go on in Russia or something. Everything I've heard about it seems bad; things like extending prescription patents so it takes longer for generics to be available, not being able to label GMO food as such. Not being able to label things as possibly unhealthy like say, catfish from Viet Nam raised in the Mekong Sewer of a river. Plus I think there are 24 chapters to the deal, and only 5 are being made available for the secret viewing. And supposedly, if our laws conflict with the provisions of this agreement, then some corporation can sue us, and not for just profits lost, but POTENTIAL lost profits, and even force us to change our laws somehow, or maybe just keep getting sued if we don't change the law. Hard to say since no one knows much about it.
This sounds like totally un-American corporate BS they want to ram down our throats. Rand Paul is demanding that it be made public, but I don't know how much support he has. If you google it, there are a lot of short videos about it on YouTube, and some articles discussing what little is known about it.
I think we need to find out as much as we can about this. And probably hound congress to make it public, and to vote no on it.
This is government by the corporations for the corporations. I've not run across ONE article or video that has anything positive to say about this thing.
I wish I could tell you more, but there's not much info available on it. Knowing Obama, there's probably some gun control BS hidden in there somewhere that nobody has seen.

[Armybrat]

If your congresscritter votes in favor of this secret bill, then he/she should be voted out of office. Same goes for those who voted to pass Obamacare.

This is not how our government was set up to function.

[JohnR]

It will be passed, by the LibDems and the LibReps. Some of us will shake our heads, most people will never hear about it. Too busy talking about Caitlyn Jenner and Tweeting on their Chinese-Made smartphones. There's really nothing we can do but sit back and watch the sun set on this nation. No one will be voted out of office for supporting this. I'm not being a doom-monger, just applying the past six years' events to current affairs and extrapolating forward.

[marcinstl]

now what part of "global economy" don't you understand? after WW2, the British Empire was failing, did the rich English whine about that? yes. then they started buying farmland in Illinois, etc. got to deploy your funds in places where it will continue to grow. US industry moved from union north, to scab south, to Mexico, then on to Asia. see the curve, stay ahead of the curve. "Globalization" was a buzz word from before Nixon, running thru Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama and beyond.
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forget any and all news, political or religious views, go straight to the source, this is the Wall St.

[b4uqzme]

A quick internet search and there's a lot of biased and maybe unreliable information. It's hard to tell. I'm not anti-corporation. I cash one of their paychecks every other week. But Tman is correct, this doesn't smell right. Where's all that transparency we were promised? I know --- stupid question.

[marcinstl]

just read the market analysis (it's free) from the goldmansacks and listen to podcast by ruler of the universe and that's about as close to the truth as your ever going to get. in that analysis and backup from other sources, make your investment decisions, watch the charts, don't panic. buy low, sell high, not the other way around. if you don't have money in the market, then use coupons and watch sales, work on the books to cover Soc. Sec. and FICA, then go to your off books, cash job. good luck. stay busy.

[TheTman]

I've found out a few things over the last few days that make me sick. The only reason we went to war with Libya, was they were trying to make their gold dinar the currency of Africa and the muslim nations, and the Rothchilds and Co. didn't want any competition for their Central banks they've set up in most countries. http://libyanwarthetruth.com/ So the powers that be had us attack them, and made sure we killed Qudaffi. A married couple, The Moriartys were in Libya from 2003 until Feb 2011 working on oil wells, and got to know the people and tribes very well. Most everything said about Libya, the Lockerbie bombing and all, was a setup. Quadaffi had cooperated fully with all the conditions that were put on him, yet they still needed to take him out. Libya was the most modern country in North Africa, all religions were welcome, and radical islamists were not.
You can catch the Moriarty's story on the Hagmann and Hagmann report http://www.hagmannandhagmann.com/ It's long, but worth the listen if you want to know how our govt. get's manipulated by the Elite.
I would encourage everyone to listen to that interview. It really gives a lot of insight into the way the world is run these days. I think you can download an MP3 of it, so you can listen to it as you have time. They tell how the US imported radical islamists into the country to destabilize it, and to attack Benghazi. I guess Ambassador Stevens was on Hillary's hit list, hence the stand down orders.
It really makes me sick to hear how the Elite snaps their fingers and we send troops to do their bidding. I wonder how many American lives have been lost over this Illuminati power trip. I know this is pretty far out there, and may be hard to believe, but with our current administration I don't find it totally unbelievable at all.
And that they make up all kinds of lies for the news channels to tell us so they can justify it to the American People.

Obama now wants to ban all technical talk and information about guns from the internet, how to manuals, technical gun forums, anything that tells how to keep a gun running. Forums included. Goodbye Kahrtalk, GlockTalk, The 1911 forum, etc. http://www.americasfreedomfighters.c...ternet-2a-nra/ and http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nr...rticle/2565762
with an executive order of course, I doubt this would make it through congress.

Ike warned us about the industrial military complex and the messes they would get us into, and we've been warned by many against forming a central bank. Our leaders should have paid closer attention. It's too late now, even if we voted every congressmen out of office, they would just be replaced by a new bunch that would be corrupted quickly.
Knowing some of these things that go on behind our backs, and that we're sold fake news stories to get us behind these wars that only benefit the Elite, make me not so proud to be an American, or rather an American living under the govt. we are stuck with. I feel like we're not much more than just another arm of the Elite/Globalist Empire. They just haven't assumed public power yet, and stay in the shadows. About a dozen or so families control 70% of the free worlds corporations and wealth, robbing us blind with their Central banks and controlling the governments of the free world. Call em the Elite, the Illuminati, Zionists, New World Order, Banksters, Bilderbergers, whatever. But they could care less about anyone but themselves. They control all the major media, so you'll never hear anything they don't want you too on the major news networks. They control all aspects of entertainment, TV, Movies, and Music. They hate Christians and worship Lucifer. And pity the country that doesn't have one of their central banking systems. Libya Iraq and Afghanistan were countries that didn't have a central bank. Iran doesn't have one, and is next on the list.
When the Elite do decide to drop the hammer, it's going to drop hard. I hope everyone's stocked up on the necessities they need to get by for a year or so. There's not going to be any grocery stores, gas stations, hospitals, or anything else we've come to rely on. The FEMA camps will open, and some will live (they will need the slave labor) and many will die. Don't take my word for it, do some investigation of your own if you want to survive the next few years, outside of a FEMA camp. Although I imagine at some point we'll either be dead or in a camp somewhere, if we can't put up a strong defense. And it's going to be too late when you see the SWAT team close off your block for the house to house search, or pull in your driveway. About all you can do then is go out in a blaze of glory. Hopefully we will have enough people in the armed forces that will defend the constitution instead of blind obedience to Obama, but they are trying to weed those types out of the service, at least in the upper levels.
God bless the American Patriots, and may we be able to stand up against whatever evil comes our way.

[JohnR]

So many conspiracy theories, so little time...

I just read an article on Castro brokering drug trafficking to the US as part of his (and Moscow's) plan to destabilize our culture. The KGB was quite active in South America, too, spreading Liberation Theology (see Pope Francis and Obama's Black Liberation Theology) and I'm sure they helped the drug cartels along.

There's another news story the other day saying that Disney was firing Americans and replacing them with furriners even as they show all-time record profits as a company. It's not about the money. My honest guess, it's about the work ethic. The libtards have bred a full generation of brain-dead zombies not worth hiring, who think they're entitled to the moon and the stars just for showing up.

[JohnR]

And don't forget the Russians are still trying to manipulate global events. They want to sell oil and gas. http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-se...m_medium=email

[b4uqzme]

So many conspiracy theories, so little time...

I just read an article on Castro brokering drug trafficking to the US as part of his (and Moscow's) plan to destabilize our culture. The KGB was quite active in South America, too, spreading Liberation Theology (see Pope Francis and Obama's Black Liberation Theology) and I'm sure they helped the drug cartels along.

There's another news story the other day saying that Disney was firing Americans and replacing them with furriners even as they show all-time record profits as a company. It's not about the money. My honest guess, it's about the work ethic. The libtards have bred a full generation of brain-dead zombies not worth hiring, who think they're entitled to the moon and the stars just for showing up.

Or not showing up in my experience. You couldn't pay me to have a staff again.

[Armybrat]

And don't forget the Russians are still trying to manipulate global events. They want to sell oil and gas. http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-se...m_medium=email

Hillary allowed the rooskies to get control of 20% of the US uranium market in return for millions of $$ in "donations" to the Clinton Foundation, which primarily exists as their slush fund.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ funny how most politicians can't seem to understand a simple supply and demand graph but they sure know how to cash in on their positions.

[TheTman]

I should have said I'm ashamed of the govt. not that I'm ashamed to be an American living under this govt. I'm still proud of the things that previous generations did, just saddened at the way things have turned out.

I saw a ad asking if you are on Hillary's mailing list and about 3500 libtards were quick to declare that Hillary has their vote. I wanted to comment that their lobotomies were working out well, if they are going to vote for this murdering lying beyotch, but figured it would just get deleted.

The thing is that their is too often more truth in the conspiracy theories, than there is in the nightly news on about any channel. I'm glad that al least some of us have our eyes open.
My main reason for watching the alternate news, is I want to have some idea when the hammer is going to drop. And there will most likely be leaks, warning its going to drop before it actually drops. And I'm also looking for other signs of major importance that could have a big impact on our lives. I've been pretty sick the last couple of weeks, so this gives me something to do. It seems like there are other countries enacting tolitarian laws, and doing crazy stuff, that has their citizens in an uproar, so it's not just us. I think it's the New World Order shadow governments flexing their muscle to see what they can get away with.

[Exiledviking]

Well put, sir! This "treaty" stinks badly. I still have hope that we can right this ship.

[marcinstl]

" I still have hope that we can right this ship."
who is this "we"? some kind of tech. workers down on deck 1130? the stealth starship(disguised as a mud ball, we call "earth") is hurtling thru space and making money for the people who run it. with millions and millions of people who all want to be happy, the hardest working or the sharpest are some times rewarded. the world economy is cyclical and the people up on the bridge, start, stop and control the trends and bubbles. right now it looks like the US has to suck it up a little as the Chinese become more prosperous, the Japanese and Europeans have had their day. as long as the ship stays in a controllable orbit, most of the people believe in some kind of god and fiat money, entertain themselves with porn, wrastling and conspiracy theories, it'll be ok. as long as there's bbq and ammo, I'm good.