Chinese Mom: "Common Core education is same as I went through in China as a child"

[TheTman]

Chinese Immigrant Mother: "Common Core is Same Communist Core I Saw in China."

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A Chinese Mother who grew up and was educated in China, says that "Common Core" education is basically the same thing she went through as a child in China. Where instead of educating children, they were indoctrinated by the Government into being good workers, and to serve there government.
That's why they throw out or gloss over the history of our nation, particularly the Civil War, other than probably to say it was fought to free the slaves, without mentioning any of the participants, except Lincoln. Kids have no idea who General Sherman, or General Lee, or Stonewall Jackson were. Instead they are taught to accept and any kind of sexual perversion, and to participate if it feels good.
And of course brainwashing students that guns are evil, and that no one but military and police should have them.
And that there is no God and no Jesus, but Allah and Buddha or any other religion must be accepted with tolerance.
A friend of mine said that his grandson can not even take a bible into his school, or he gets detention or something.
It was bad enough 2o some years ago, that I moved my children out of the larger city's school district just down the road a few miles, and got them into a small town school, where the parents have more sway with the school board. And more input into what goes on at the school.
I went to pick up one of my kids on Martin Luther King day, and I was a bit shocked. It was like Christmas or Halloween was when I was growing up, there classes took turns parading down the halls through the school rooms, and were dressed up like MLK, and some had MLK masks on that they had made. And there were programs in the auditorium, along with films shown in the classroom. I just thought that was a bit much of a celebration over one person. I doubt if Columbus day or Presidents day had that much of a celebration. The school had a black principal, and a majority of the teachers were black, so I imagine they really got into celebrating the day. I know that probably sounds a bit racist, but I don't really care. There is just something wrong, when a kid can talk for 15 minutes on what Rosa Parks did, but all you get is a blank stare when you ask them about Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson, William Tecumseh Sherman, or even Ulysses S Grant. Other than the latter is one a fifty dollar bill.

[muggsy]

Common core produces cookie cutter students who test well without knowing much. Many can't sign their own names because cursive writing is no longer being taught. Many can tell time by an analog clock.

[yqtszhj]

Common core produces cookie cutter students who test well without knowing much. Many can't sign their own names because cursive writing is no longer being taught. Many can tell time by an analog clock.

There are no critical think skills either.

I was the A-hole dad at times. I rode the kids hard but they have said they have appreciation for it now when they see how others act.

[Ronni3_J]

Man I don't even want tho think about my son getting taught this bs


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[JohnR]

The thing about CC is, I don't think anyone actually knows what it is. We have two kids, pre-K and 9th grade, so it matters to us. But if I had to define it, I couldn't. And I've tried, believe me.

Lots of heresay, not much evidence. All the internet propaganda I see doesn't seem to pan out. I don't think the lack of concrete education on the Civil War, for instance, is because of Common Core. I think it's because our education system is designed to dumb us down and propagandize history with Political Correctness. Common Core may be just a handy scapegoat.

I'm not defending it, just cautioning that we can't criticize what we don't understand, and I certainly don't understand what it is.

[TheTman]

I think the easiest place to find Common Core teaching is on their Math problems, they have a whole new way of figuring out math that takes about 5-10 steps to figure out the answer to 52-38 and I don't see what the point is. Some questions form what we called Social Studies, can also show you some of the convoluted messes they throw at children.
I've also heard of the schools questioning kids about if their parents own guns or not, how they are stored and things like that. I told my kids never to answer any questions like that and to tell me if they were asked such things. But I don't think our school district had got into much of that social engineering back then.

Thank God mine are all out of school, except for my baby girl still has a year left at College. She is going to the more conservative of the big 2 in our state, K-State, and Kansas U. K-State, attracts most of the small town kids, the farm kids and such, while Kansas is where all the well to do kids goes, and is full of Doctor's and Lawyer's kids, and is a liberal paradise. K-State is getting too liberal for my taste, but most major colleges seem to be more liberal than they used to be.

[SlowBurn]

The thing about CC is, I don't think anyone actually knows what it is. We have two kids, pre-K and 9th grade, so it matters to us. But if I had to define it, I couldn't. And I've tried, believe me.

Lots of heresay, not much evidence. All the internet propaganda I see doesn't seem to pan out. I don't think the lack of concrete education on the Civil War, for instance, is because of Common Core. I think it's because our education system is designed to dumb us down and propagandize history with Political Correctness. Common Core may be just a handy scapegoat.

I'm not defending it, just cautioning that we can't criticize what we don't understand, and I certainly don't understand what it is.

Ok I was curious too. I do think we need some standards. We've been just letting teachers unions tell us all kids are different, nobody can judge their work by testing the students to see what they know, etc and other teacher union excuses. The result is in general a poor and declining education system that is much more about teacher job security than student achievement and we're falling behind in the world. On the other hand all I've heard from Common Core supporters is full of jargon, euphemism and educationese words like "parameter".

Because of this thread, I finally went to the official website, www.corestandards.org and found you can download and read the actual Common Core standards. There are two sets; one for Math and one for English (which also includes literacy in social studies and technical language) To save anyone interested the trouble, here they are and you can read them, save them, print them out etc:

Common Core English Standards
Common Core Math Standards

The idea is similar to model codes. Its up to each state to adopt or not as they see fit. Basically by my read its what they expect a student to do at what level. Read them yourself and judge.

[JohnR]

Got a summary of them? What's the bottom line?

I started reading the math one and my eyes glazed over. Probably because I'm tired. I was a math major for a semester and went through Calculus 4, linear algebra, and differential equations (99% of which I've since totally forgotten), so I ain't no math dummy. I'd just appreciate anyone plowing through the 93 pages and summarizing it somehow.

[muggsy]

If the schools just taught the U.S. Constitution and how to balance a check book this country would be far ahead.

[berettabone]

I live in a state that has been spewing teacher and educational garbage for years. Our governor took care of the spew that was being uttered by the teachers and their unions. By the time education had gotten to this point, the only thing that mattered was the fact that teachers were going to have to start contributing to their care costs............on average about $100 a month. That was far less than what I was paying when I was working. They were asked to contribute to our state, and instead, they caused 2 million dollars damage to our capital building. Meanwhile, screw the kids, we've got more important matters ahead, like having to pay out a bit of money, and getting this mean governor the heck out of this state. Common Core is nothing more than another way for teachers and advisors to control the curriculum, and teach what our gov't thinks they should be learning. I have come to know, that 3/4's of the things I learned in school, are now being found to be a crock. They still teach this false history. My wife teaches at a college in the area, and she tells me how most of the professors are Libs, and some of the things/opinions that they tell/teach their students are opinion, and not always fact. These types of liberal professors are feeding the kids their view of life these days. Lots of opinion, not in the class curriculum. Bitching teachers surprise me..............they went to college....................they knew what the job description was..................they knew they would have to take work home..............they knew that they would be off 3 months a year. This common core issue never even came up, until the teachers started whining about their unions, and their benefits. Crock.

[berettabone]

Common core is a set curriculum that all teachers will follow. It is to prepare children from kindergarten on, to be ready for learning and college, and to end up productive members of society. Teachers teach the same thing, but not at the same time, and sometimes not in the same way. This gives teachers, parents, and the students a clear understanding of how things will be taught and when. If your family has to move, and your child/children have to start attending a different school, they will be able to jump right in, because the teacher will be teaching the same thing, at the same time. They won't miss anything. Some say it's because our children have fallen so far behind other countries on the learning scale, that they(gov't) are getting worried. It will help students achieve higher goals because of the standards set. Saying all of that, I still believe what I typed above. All children learning the same thing, at the same time, without deviation, is a bunch of robots. They are just rehashing educational standards from 40 years ago. Nothing new here. If the teachers just did their job, we'd be in business. Following standards is nothing new.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ some say that "set curriculum" is rife with socialist mumbo-jumbo... Just sayin'. Oh, and blatantly devoid of the values from which this country was founded. I don't know myself. I quit learning a long time ago.

[SlowBurn]

Got a summary of them? What's the bottom line?

I started reading the math one and my eyes glazed over. Probably because I'm tired. I was a math major for a semester and went through Calculus 4, linear algebra, and differential equations (99% of which I've since totally forgotten), so I ain't no math dummy. I'd just appreciate anyone plowing through the 93 pages and summarizing it somehow.

Not me. Would be sort of like summarizing the Southern Building Code. It just lays out in discrete steps, things students at a particular level are taught to do and expected to be able to do by the time they move on. A random example, 2nd grade students should be taught to "Ask and answer such questions as who, what,
where, when, why, and how to demonstrate understanding of key details in a text."

[JohnR]

What I heard was there is no set curriculum, only a set standard all participants have to meet.

For those who like the idea of national reciprocity for concealed carry licenses, are you sure that's what you want? Are you sure there won't some day be a Common Core gun education requirement?

[diablo53]

There are no critical think skills either.

I was the A-hole dad at times. I rode the kids hard but they have said they have appreciation for it now when they see how others act.

Good for you. My best teachers/professors were the ones that demanded more from his/her students. They also had the highest failure rates, which to no surprise reflected poorly on their teaching.