Want to understand the Muslim Thing?

[downtownv]

Read: It IS About Islam by Glen Beck
And don't tell me your opinions of the writer (****) this is VERY well written and factual. You'd never know he wrote it. There are NO opinions just laid out facts of ISLAM
They have a very clear plan since 2000 and EVERYTHING stated is EXACTLY on track. 2020 will be our finally if they continue as THEY explain their Goals.
Every American needs to understand them before it's too late.....BTW israel is not their big prize, the WEST is!

[JohnR]

No linky?

[Handy]

Every group of men that has ever done evil used some pretext for their evil: National socialism, Communism, Catholicism, Manifest Destiny, Islam, Shintoism, Hinduism. Mistaking the excuse for the cause gives no incites because you are mistaking justification for cause.

Like the Bible, the Quoran contains all sorts of ridiculous assertions and commands. Just as Westerners ignore most of the Bible, so do the practitioners of every other faith. And just as Westerners invent Biblical pretexts for stupid and evil things (like slavery because of Cain), stupid evil people everywhere will latch on to any "wisdom" that is going to support their prejudices.

Currently, a large group of disenfranchised, uneducated and poor Muslim in several crummy spots in the Middle East are using the equivalents of Leviticus to violate the 10 Commandments. There are Muslims all over the world, but the problem isn't all over, but in key places. Crappy places.

There's a reason that Muslim countries like Singapore, Bahrain, UAE, Turkey, Indonesia, Morocco are safe, nice places. And it isn't because they aren't able to read. Just as we can certainly read:

Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him, whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death.

[TheTman]

Crappy places like England, France, Germany, Sweden, the US? What other religion has factions that decapitates their victims, eats their hearts, makes sex slaves of pre-teen girls, cuts children's arms and legs off with saws while they are still alive, and Rapes the women of their host countries as often as they can get away with it? Sure sounds like a great bunch of people.
Palestine was a pretty crappy place until the Jews took it over, and now it has thriving farming communities that produce enough food they can export it. Muslims could do the same in their "crappy places" if their leaders cared about the people.
Oh yes they can have some nice places to live. But those people aren't on Jihad. Or most of them anyway. They are your peaceful muslims.
Your more worldly muslims that don't follow sharia law so strictly. These are the countries that care about their people, and want business and jobs to do well. And every one doing and living well.

Why are these "refugee" men showing up here without women or children? Are they cowards that left there family behind, are they some kind of soldier, why are single fighting aged men coming in? If their families were killed, I'd be picking up a rifle and trying to get some revenge or they are scared. There is something up with these guys, it's not right. Maybe they come to try and breed with the local women. Some bleeding heart lib chicks be foolish enough to fall for that and become another woman pumping out little muzzies. And be treated like just another possession. Be told what to wear. And what to do and where to go and everything to do, and not do.

You realize we might be in for more trouble than we know. Someday they are going to bomb a ball game or concert or something, and if they do that, it might get ugly really fast. If they don't find someone to arrest quickly, Then there are a lot of hot headed people out there. They may get all riled up and decide to play rednecks n rugheads. People are already sick of crap, it won't take too much to push some folks over the edge of peaceful behavior.
We've already had muslims decapitating people here. I know of at least 2 cases, one just down in Oklahoma, a woman no less, I bet that made him feel like a real muslim man. The other back in NY or NY. Not just murders, but cutting their heads off. That's just sick.

I think the quote you posted should read: "Whoever BLASPHEMES the name of the Lord.........
It's in Leviticus I think.
At one time it was against the law in Judea to say the name of the Lord, since the Romans soldiers would kill anyone they heard say it. And the leaders were trying to save lives. That is when the proper pronunciation of the tetragrammaton was lost (YHVH).
Religion has been responsible for many deaths. Roman Catholics killed up to 60 million over the centuries. Jihad has claimed up to 270 million.
LACK of religion has killed not quite 150 million in communist countries since 1917 alone.

[Handy]

You've described a range of barbaric behavior, and much of that kind of thing has taken place in the 20th Century by modern Christian origin countries: Germany, Yugoslavia, Russia, Spain, etc. We can pretend that Nazi Germany rose out of hell fully formed, but it didn't. It was a bunch of nice, modern Lutherans who embraced a range of incredibly awful behaviors because of bruised national pride and poverty.

There is nothing about Islam that would cause a normal person to cut off children's arms. But there isn't anything about the Christianity that would explain why 1 in 5 girls in the US are sexually assaulted, or the Germans were making soap out of people.


I do think you need to read up on the history of Palestine - it was not some Arab owned place before the Jews came along.


It just seems a little ridiculous to cite examples of Christian, atheist and Muslim atrocities, then insist that it is the religion that's a problem only when the religion isn't YOUR religion. It is frankly asinine to pretend that Spain didn't go from a nice place under the Moors to hell under the Spanish Inquisition.


A lot of stuff we associate with Islam, like keeping women's faces covered, pre-date Islam and are cultural leftovers from before that. A fair number of Arab countries were war-like Bedouin nomads less than 100 years ago. That's more of a problem than the religion they share with all the much larger and largely peaceful populations that I named.


You offered a historically interesting reason for the Leviticus passage I quoted. That doesn't keep it from being "the word of God". And every one of those Quoran passages you take issue with also has a story that goes with it, and a similar choice by the Muslims it to ignore it like you decided to do with the Bible.


There are definitely some stupid, evil people out there. Trying to identify them by a book they read is a fool's errand. If it isn't, the history of Christianity means we have more reason to be wiped out than the Muslims.

Al Queda is an evil organization. ISIS is an evil organization. Local groups recruiting children to be soldiers are evil for the same reason as US sex traffickers are evil. Wearing a towel on your head or having a goofy belief system is not where the impulse to murder comes from. Islam follows the 10 Commandments, too.

[yqtszhj]

Everything else aside, maybe we should just open the borders and let in whoever wants to come? I mean they're all nice loving people anyway and most of all look at how well they have ran their country. Thats the best reason of all, right? Besides, we all have too much stuff anyway and its not fair because we didn't earn it.

[Ikeo74]

Nobody cared what Muslims were doing in their own country as long as they weren't doing it here. Now they are doing it here and that my friend is the problem. What they do is not compatible with civilization. So do we let them drag us down to their level or do we something else. I am not going down to their level.

[SlowBurn]

There are definitely some stupid, evil people out there. Trying to identify them by a book they read is a fool's errand. If it isn't, the history of Christianity means we have more reason to be wiped out than the Muslims.

Al Queda is an evil organization. ISIS is an evil organization. Local groups recruiting children to be soldiers are evil for the same reason as US sex traffickers are evil. Wearing a towel on your head or having a goofy belief system is not where the impulse to murder comes from. Islam follows the 10 Commandments, too.

One almost has to be willfully blind to pretend that ideas don't matter, that what is happening is a random group of bad acts with no common theme and no ideological principle. Suggested reading would be anything by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who escaped the horrors of Islam and has been repeatedly attacked, Bosch Fawstin, and any number of other former Muslims. Or just watch the rants of the most powerful and respected clerics which have been captured on You Tube. All one has to do is take off the blinders and look, the evidence is everywhere.

The comparisons of Islam to Christianity of the 7th Century are debatable, but even if valid are irrelevant to today. Christianity in the West went through the Renaissance, currently its doctrines are tempered and its influence greatly modified by the rediscovery and extension of secular logic and reason from Classical period of the West. Nothing of the sort happened in Islam, in fact its great reformers were cast aside as apostate and Islam has regressed while its hold on its adherents has tightened.

The silly notion that adherents of 20th century totalitarian ideologies like communism and nazism were simply Lutherans gone wild is an example of where one has to go to maintain the pretense that Islam is not the problem. But it proves too much. Nazism is an excellent analogy (and one greatly admired by Islam's most influential clerics) Imagine trying to argue that those who swore undying loyalty to Hitler and then committed those atrocities, were just resentful because they were poor, their ideology had nothing to do with it, don't judge them by their devotion Mein Kampf. Anyone with a brain would dismiss those absurdities.

You might as well stand out in a thunderstorm and pretend its not raining. Fortunately people are finally starting to ignore those who try to tell them, in the face of everything their eyes see, that "Islam means peace" Islam means submission.

[Scarywoody]

Years ago two American ambassadors visited France. The French warned them of the rise of Muslims and how dangerous these people were going to be. The Ambassadors were Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin.

[JohnR]

Everything else aside, maybe we should just open the borders and let in whoever wants to come? I mean they're all nice loving people anyway and most of all look at how well they have ran their country. Thats the best reason of all, right? Besides, we all have too much stuff anyway and its not fair because we didn't earn it.

We did just that!

[muggsy]

In one respect the religions of the world are a lot like guns. Both can be used for good or evil. It seems to me that we should be concentrating on eliminating the evil in the world instead of arguing religion among ourselves.

[downtownv]

No linky?

Here ya go:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/150...s=books&sr=1-1
I used the library....

[JohnR]

Free speech is supposedly limited only by the "shouting fire in a crowded theater" example. Religious freedom should be similarly limited. If you follow a religion whose holy books say kill infidels and rape kids because its founder did, then your freedom should be limited. Your freedom ends when you infringe on my liberties.

[muggsy]

You've described a range of barbaric behavior, and much of that kind of thing has taken place in the 20th Century by modern Christian origin countries: Germany, Yugoslavia, Russia, Spain, etc. We can pretend that Nazi Germany rose out of hell fully formed, but it didn't. It was a bunch of nice, modern Lutherans who embraced a range of incredibly awful behaviors because of bruised national pride and poverty.

There is nothing about Islam that would cause a normal person to cut off children's arms. But there isn't anything about the Christianity that would explain why 1 in 5 girls in the US are sexually assaulted, or the Germans were making soap out of people.


I do think you need to read up on the history of Palestine - it was not some Arab owned place before the Jews came along.


It just seems a little ridiculous to cite examples of Christian, atheist and Muslim atrocities, then insist that it is the religion that's a problem only when the religion isn't YOUR religion. It is frankly asinine to pretend that Spain didn't go from a nice place under the Moors to hell under the Spanish Inquisition.


A lot of stuff we associate with Islam, like keeping women's faces covered, pre-date Islam and are cultural leftovers from before that. A fair number of Arab countries were war-like Bedouin nomads less than 100 years ago. That's more of a problem than the religion they share with all the much larger and largely peaceful populations that I named.


You offered a historically interesting reason for the Leviticus passage I quoted. That doesn't keep it from being "the word of God". And every one of those Quoran passages you take issue with also has a story that goes with it, and a similar choice by the Muslims it to ignore it like you decided to do with the Bible.


There are definitely some stupid, evil people out there. Trying to identify them by a book they read is a fool's errand. If it isn't, the history of Christianity means we have more reason to be wiped out than the Muslims.

Al Queda is an evil organization. ISIS is an evil organization. Local groups recruiting children to be soldiers are evil for the same reason as US sex traffickers are evil. Wearing a towel on your head or having a goofy belief system is not where the impulse to murder comes from. Islam follows the 10 Commandments, too.

Men commit atrocities in the name of religion. Religions aren't capable of doing anything on their own. I've never met a former military man so enamored with bashing his own country until now. The military must have really changed since I served. What country did you say that you flew for, Handy?

[deadeye]

"I've never met a former military man so enamored with bashing his own country until now." Sure you have Muggsy. Remember "Lurch" Kerry. A fine example.