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  • #31
    I don't think there is a political fix for our problems. The problem is not Barry Soetero AKA Barrack Obama, the problem is a population that would vote in a Barry Sotero, AKA Barrack Obama to lead this nation as President, without knowing anything about him, other than he promise hope and change.
    I sure don't like the changes I've seen, and I HOPE someone can undo them.

    This nation needs a spiritual fix. We need to turn back to good American Moral values, and get away from this perverted anything goes PC correct BS. We need The Christian-Judeo God that this country was founded on, back in the classrooms, the courts and everyplace he's been driven out of. Without a God, we have no God given rights, as outlined in the Bill of Rights, and they could easily disappear with a liberal Supreme court. This country was founded on Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion. We let too many noisy minorities yank our chain. It's time that Christian Conservatives started making some noise back.

    Trump says some good stuff, which is why he has the big following, but Hitler said a lot of good things too that sounded good at the time. Some of the stuff Trump says that sounds good though, starts sounding a bit ominous when you apply it to other groups of people than the ones he is talking about. If you round up all the illegals, what's to keep you from rounding up some other group next time. That's what Hitler did. I don't think Trump is Hitler, I think he means well, but I don't completely trust him. I don't know what has you so trusting of Cruz (I'm not asking for a list, thank you) but I have my doubts about him too, as well as anyone coming up through the congressional ranks. I think they have all been tainted to a degree. A lot of people like his wall along the southern border, maybe we don't need a wall, but we do need to seal it off so that no one gets through.

    If Obama get's another Supreme Court Justice appointed, this country isn't going to be worth a plug nickel. America somehow got this idea, that a Supreme court ruling is "The Law of the land", it's not. All it does is invalidates a law. Laws are only made by legislatures, We have few new laws allowing gay marriage, what we have are invalidated laws that make it illegal, that need to be changed to brought in line with what is legal. Some very misguided people came up with court rulings becoming "the law of the land", and the court doesn't write law. I think this started or gained a lot of momentum with the Roe v Wade case.

    Talk radio is very worried that they are going to make it illegal to support anything the Government is against, and vice versa, basically either agree with the Government or get your show taken off the air. What the hell kind of country would this be if we were not allowed to voice our dissent with the Government. Such action would have to come from some type of executive order, I don't think it would ever make it through congress, although some congressmen would like to see something like that happen, especially the Libs would like to see people like Rush Limbaugh and other dissenting voices silenced somehow. The Patriot Act, and NDAA, exchanged our freedoms for supposedly greater security. The founding fathers said those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by TheTman View Post
      I don't think there is a political fix for our problems. The problem is not Barry Soetero AKA Barrack Obama, the problem is a population that would vote in a Barry Sotero, AKA Barrack Obama to lead this nation as President, without knowing anything about him, other than he promise hope and change.
      I sure don't like the changes I've seen, and I HOPE someone can undo them.

      This nation needs a spiritual fix. We need to turn back to good American Moral values, and get away from this perverted anything goes PC correct BS. We need The Christian-Judeo God that this country was founded on, back in the classrooms, the courts and everyplace he's been driven out of. Without a God, we have no God given rights, as outlined in the Bill of Rights, and they could easily disappear with a liberal Supreme court. This country was founded on Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion. We let too many noisy minorities yank our chain. It's time that Christian Conservatives started making some noise back.

      Trump says some good stuff, which is why he has the big following, but Hitler said a lot of good things too that sounded good at the time. Some of the stuff Trump says that sounds good though, starts sounding a bit ominous when you apply it to other groups of people than the ones he is talking about. If you round up all the illegals, what's to keep you from rounding up some other group next time. That's what Hitler did. I don't think Trump is Hitler, I think he means well, but I don't completely trust him. I don't know what has you so trusting of Cruz (I'm not asking for a list, thank you) but I have my doubts about him too, as well as anyone coming up through the congressional ranks. I think they have all been tainted to a degree. A lot of people like his wall along the southern border, maybe we don't need a wall, but we do need to seal it off so that no one gets through.

      If Obama get's another Supreme Court Justice appointed, this country isn't going to be worth a plug nickel. America somehow got this idea, that a Supreme court ruling is "The Law of the land", it's not. All it does is invalidates a law. Laws are only made by legislatures, We have few new laws allowing gay marriage, what we have are invalidated laws that make it illegal, that need to be changed to brought in line with what is legal. Some very misguided people came up with court rulings becoming "the law of the land", and the court doesn't write law. I think this started or gained a lot of momentum with the Roe v Wade case.

      Talk radio is very worried that they are going to make it illegal to support anything the Government is against, and vice versa, basically either agree with the Government or get your show taken off the air. What the hell kind of country would this be if we were not allowed to voice our dissent with the Government. Such action would have to come from some type of executive order, I don't think it would ever make it through congress, although some congressmen would like to see something like that happen, especially the Libs would like to see people like Rush Limbaugh and other dissenting voices silenced somehow. The Patriot Act, and NDAA, exchanged our freedoms for supposedly greater security. The founding fathers said those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither.
      I think you speak for many here.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by TheTman View Post
        ...
        ...

        This nation needs a spiritual fix. We need to turn back to good American Moral values, and get away from this perverted anything goes PC correct BS. We need The Christian-Judeo God that this country was founded on, back in the classrooms, the courts and everyplace he's been driven out of. ....

        ...
        Ageed; but, I think it is highly unlikely. I see this having started in the 60's with the hippies. Too many victims of the hippie movement to undo what has been done.

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        • #34
          Libtard proposes murdering Trump http://www.infowars.com/ny-times-col...umps-campaign/

          Trump must be doing something right.

          Or is that just part of the conspiracy?

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          • #35
            Excellent read. The author is a political correspondent for Bloomberg
            THE NEW YORKER: .

            On Monday, February 1, 2016 11:29 AM,

            "Who is Donald Trump?" The better question may be, "What is Donald Trump?" The answer? A giant middle finger from average Americans to the political and media establishment.
            Some Trump supporters are like the 60s white girls who dated black guys just to annoy their parents. But most Trump supporters have simply had it with the Demo-socialists and the "Republicans In Name Only." They know there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Hillary Rodham and Jeb Bush, and only a few cents worth between Rodham and the other GOP candidates.
            Ben Carson is not an "establishment" candidate, but the Clinton machine would pulverize Carson; and the somewhat rebellious Ted Cruz will (justifiably so) be tied up with natural born citizen lawsuits (as might Marco Rubio). The Trump supporters figure they may as well have some fun tossing Molotov cocktails at Wall Street and Georgetown while they watch the nation collapse. Besides - lightning might strike, Trump might get elected, and he might actually fix a few things. Stranger things have happened (the nation elected an[islamo-]Marxist in 2008 and Bruce Jenner now wears designer dresses.)
            Millions of conservatives are justifiably furious. They gave the Republicans control of the House in 2010 and control of the Senate in 2014, and have seen them govern no differently than Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Yet those same voters are supposed to trust the GOP in 2016? Why?
            Trump did not come from out of nowhere. His candidacy was created by the last six years of Republican failures.
            No reasonable person can believe that any of the establishment candidates [dems or reps] will slash federal spending, rein in the Federal Reserve, cut burdensome business regulations, reform the tax code, or eliminate useless federal departments (the Departments of Education, Housing and Urban Development, Energy, etc.). Even Ronald Reagan was unable to eliminate the Department of Education. (Of course, getting shot at tends to make a person less of a risk-taker.) No reasonable person can believe that any of the nation's major problems will be solved by Rodham, Bush, and the other dishers of donkey fazoo now eagerly eating corn in Iowa and pancakes in New Hampshire.
            Many Americans, and especially Trump supporters, have had it with:
            · Anyone named Bush
            · Anyone named Clinton
            · Anyone who's held political office
            · Political correctness
            · Illegal immigration
            · Massive unemployment
            · Phony "official" unemployment and inflation figures
            · Welfare waste and fraud
            · People faking disabilities to go on the dole
            · VA waiting lists
            · TSA airport groping
            · ObamaCare
            · The Federal Reserve's money-printing schemes
            · Wall Street crooks like Jon Corzine
            · Michelle Obama's vacations
            · Michelle Obama's food police
            · Barack Obama's golf
            · Barack Obama's arrogant and condescending lectures
            · Barack Obama's criticism/hatred of America
            · Valerie Jarrett
            · "Holiday trees"
            · Hollywood hypocrites
            · Global warming nonsense
            · Cop killers
            · Gun confiscation threats
            · Stagnant wages
            · Boys in girls' bathrooms
            · Whiny, spoiled college students who can't even place the Civil War in the correct century... and that's just the short list.
            Trump supporters believe that no Democrat wants to address these issues, and that few Republicans have the courage to address these issues. They certainly know that none of the establishment candidates are better than barely listening to them, and Trump is their way of saying, "Screw you, Hillary Rodham Rove Bush!" The more the talking head political pundits insult the Trump supporters, the more supporters he gains. (The only pundits who seem to understand what is going on are Democrats Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell and Republican John LeBoutillier. All the others argue that the voters will eventually "come to their senses" and support an establishment candidate.)
            But America does not need a tune-up at the same old garage. It needs a new engine installed by experts - and neither Rodham nor Bush are mechanics with the skills or experience to install it. Hillary Rodham is not a mechanic; she merely manages a garage her philandering husband abandoned. Jeb Bush is not a mechanic; he merely inherited a garage. Granted, Trump is also not a mechanic, but he knows where to find the best ones to work in his garage. He won't hire his brother-in-law or someone to whom he owes a favor; he will hire someone who lives and breathes cars.
            "How dare they revolt!" the "elites" are bellowing. Well, the citizens are daring to revolt, and the RINOs had better get used to it. "But Trump will hand the election to Clinton!" That is what the Karl Rove-types want people to believe, just as the leftist media eagerly shoved "Maverick" McCain down GOP throats in 2008 - knowing he would lose to Obama. But even if Trump loses and Rodham wins, she would not be dramatically different than Bush or most of his fellow candidates. They would be nothing more than caretakers, not working to restore America's greatness but merely presiding over the collapse of a massively in-debt nation. A nation can perhaps survive open borders; a nation can perhaps survive a generous welfare system. But no nation can survive both - and there is little evidence that the establishment candidates of either party understand that. The United States cannot forever continue on the path it is on. At some point it will be destroyed by its debt.
            Yes, Trump speaks like a bull wander[ing] through a china shop, but the truth is that the borders do need to be sealed; we cannot afford to feed, house, and clothe 200,000 Syrian immigrants for decades (even if we get inordinately lucky and none of them are ISIS infiltrators or Syed Farook wannabes); the world is at war with radical Islamists; all the world's glaciers are not melting; and Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig.
            Is Trump the perfect candidate? Of course not. Neither was Ronald Reagan. But unless we close our borders and restrict immigration, all the other issues are irrelevant. One terrorist blowing up a bridge or a tunnel could kill thousands. One jihadist poisoning a city's water supply could kill tens of thousands. One electromagnetic pulse attack from a single Iranian nuclear device could kill tens of millions. Faced with those possibilities, most Americans probably don't care that Trump relied on eminent domain to grab up a final quarter acre of
            property for a hotel, or that he boils the blood of the Muslim Brotherhood thugs running the Council on American-Islamic Relations. While Attorney General Loretta Lynch's greatest fear is someone giving a Muslim a dirty look, most Americans are more worried about being gunned down at a shopping mall by a crazed [islamic] lunatic who treats his prayer mat better than his three wives and who thinks 72 virgins are waiting for him in paradise.

            The establishment is frightened to death that Trump will win, but not because they believe he will harm the nation. They are afraid he will upset their taxpayer-subsidized apple carts. While Obama threatens to veto legislation that spends too little, they worry that Trump will veto legislation that spends too much.
            You can be certain that if an establishment candidate wins in November 2016, … [their] cabinet positions will be filled with the same people we've seen before. The washed-up has-beens of the Clinton and Bush administrations will be back in charge. The hacks from Goldman Sachs will continue to call the shots. Whether it is Bush's Karl Rove or Clinton's John Podesta, who makes the decisions in the White House will matter little. If the establishment wins, America loses.
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            • #36
              "Excellent read. The author is a political correspondent for Bloomberg."

              That's as far as I had to read.
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              • #37
                Guy is passionate about a lot of things. For example, in 2012 he spent HUGE time tweeting about Kirsten Stewart cheating. Really got mad about it:
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                Rest in peace Muggsy

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                • #38
                  downtownv, you continue to be the MAN!


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by OvalNut View Post
                    downtownv, you continue to be the MAN!


                    Tim
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                    • #40
                      ... Shallow Observation Alert:

                      I just saw a Ted Cruz ad on TV. He had on too much red/pink lipstick.


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                      • #41
                        Damnit Muggsy, all you should of shown is this. https://youtu.be/Bzb9Hs2SmfQ
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by muggsy View Post
                          ... I also believe that having an informed electorate is better than having an uninformed or ill informed electorate.
                          Muggsy, with all due respect to your right to voice your opinion ... your premise that all Trump supporters are low information voters (and some others have even said low education people) is false. Same with the view that "if I can just get them to see what I see and know what I know, they will come around because there is no way they will continue to support Trump."

                          I can only speak to myself and wife. I won't bore you with how much we read, watch, and our post secondary education. But we are not low information people and we support Trump, despite his weaknesses (agree with you that he doesn't act presidential). And those that continue spout that line insult his supporters.

                          If there is a miraculous turnaround, we will vote for Ted vs. any socialist. But my big problem with him from the beginning is that I don't believe that he leads in a way to inspire people to rally around him to get anything done, and not respected and dare i say, not likable. So I don't see his strengths outweighing his weaknesses, to be able to win the general election or, if a miracle happened and he did win, to be a very effective, high accomplishment president.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ron AZ View Post
                            Muggsy, with all due respect to your right to voice your opinion ... your premise that all Trump supporters are low information voters (and some others have even said low education people) is false. Same with the view that "if I can just get them to see what I see and know what I know, they will come around because there is no way they will continue to support Trump."

                            I can only speak to myself and wife. I won't bore you with how much we read, watch, and our post secondary education. But we are not low information people and we support Trump, despite his weaknesses (agree with you that he doesn't act presidential). And those that continue spout that line insult his supporters.

                            If there is a miraculous turnaround, we will vote for Ted vs. any socialist. But my big problem with him from the beginning is that I don't believe that he leads in a way to inspire people to rally around him to get anything done, and not respected and dare i say, not likable. So I don't see his strengths outweighing his weaknesses, to be able to win the general election or, if a miracle happened and he did win, to be a very effective, high accomplishment president.
                            Not only does Trump not act presidential, but he doesn't behave like a conservative or a republican. I never said that all of Trump's supporters were low information voters or poorly educated voters. Not all of Obama's supporters were low information or poorly educated voters. Some of the smartest people in the world were duped by Obama. You're in good company. Anyone who believes that they can't be scammed is ripe for picking.
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                            • #44
                              It is all about judgement and and compromise. Whoever is the standard-bearer we need to rally the troops and vote against the left. Go Muggsy! Bob

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by muggsy View Post
                                Not only does Trump not act presidential, but he doesn't behave like a conservative or a republican.
                                What does a conservative behave like? We've seen what Republicans behave like, they behave like Democrats. To hell with them.

                                Conservatives behave like...

                                Rush Limbaugh? Michael Savage? Neal Boortz? Sean Hannity? Ronald Reagan? Dinesh D'Souza? Pat Buchanan?

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