cwp kills robber

[skiflydive]

I didn't take class! I grabbed the lady under her rib cage and pulled up and in with a good amount of force... figuring any air left in there was gonna expel the obstruction.

I heard later...she was ok... but I didn't wanna talk to anybody official!

Well done. Saved her life no doubt. Congratulations!

[kahrseye]

[QUOTE=OldLincoln;127106]

1. What if the perp that pointed his gun at the CCW just turned and fired a couple shots hitting customers before being dropped, or the CCW missed?

Exactly.

[jocko]

I carry because I am not scared, not because I am, scared, but I would sit and watch any hold up scenario and I certainly would not be the instigator or further action until I felt like my life or the life of whom I was with was in dire danger. Pulling that gun certaily changes things with the BG, now he has to shoot because ur gonna shoot, I do agree most robberies are robberies. No doubt if they felt thgat business was well armed or civili9ans were in there armed, I would think they would opt to go down the street and try there. To many scenarios' really to say what happened here or what we would have done, but for me my first priority ismy safety and not the fellas 5 tables away from me. U know we are all assuming to we are DEAD SHOTS and that we ain't gonna miss the BG either, so what happens now if we shoot and miss and hit a couple of people or some child in a mothers arms. Man when u pull that gun out alot of things falls on ur shoulders and the word HERO might just not be one of them. If no one got hurt in this scenario, then it is a super thing. I just don't want to have to try to defend myself in a liability civil court or maybe even in criminal court over a matter where I thought I was going to be the Long Ranger here and save the people and ended up shooting innocent people. Just not sure in todays real world where they will pin a badge on u for shooting a civilian. Just my two cents but scenario's are just that scenarios and they very seldom end the way we "pretend"
they do. My dad used to say to me when I was a teen and going out on a date, "Son keep it in ur pants". I feel that way today with my PM9.:israel:

I was armed robbed over 35 years ago in my gun business, they wanted money, they got the money, I pissed my pants big time, other than that no harm no foul., I go to a ballgame to watch, not to play:001_tt2:

[Doc Holliday]

I carry because I am not scared, not because I am, scared, but I would sit and watch any hold up scenario and I certainly would not be the instigator or further action until I felt like my life or the life of whom I was with was in dire danger.

I absolutely agree.

I don't CCW to play 'Waffle House Cop' or protect their cash, they have insurance for that. Let the robber take the cash and leave. They charge too much for that slop they serve anyhow. I'm not going to force a shootout and have someone else get killed but I would be prepared. Now, if the BG decides to hang around and take hostages or starts shooting first, it's on.

[kahrseye]

'Waffle House Cop'

I like that. I think I'll have a badge made with that on it and show to all my friends. Don't worry Doc, I'll give you the credit.. :001_tt2:

[jocko]

that is kind of a catchy phrase. I kinna like that.

[Rodenmg]

Here's something to think about if you live in Texas. I just took my CHL course a few weeks ago. We had a lawyer give us a talk about what happens after you pull the trigger. Here in Texas the DA no longer has the power to dismiss what he thinks is a case not worth going to trial. Every case of shooting must go before the Grand Jury. If it does you will need legal representation and that will cost you an average of $10,000. Even if you did everything right it's going to cost you big bucks. Sure made me think about how much I want to get involved if it's not absolutely necessary.

[Tinman507]

Waffle House Police

You're under arrest for a violation of the Felton-Sibley Act of 1934: Serving Grease without a license.

[Armybrat]

I like that. I think I'll have a badge made with that on it and show to all my friends. Don't worry Doc, I'll give you the credit.. :001_tt2:

A badge in the shape of a waffle?

[Rodenmg]

I know, a little bold for a noobie, but I couldn't resist.

[jocko]

this forum is just to full of talented people rodenmg, for a newbe it is down right super.

[tv_racin_fan]

"1. What if the perp that pointed his gun at the CCW just turned and fired a couple shots hitting customers before being dropped, or the CCW missed?"

I'd be upset because I didn't fire fast enough.

I don't believe I would have announced my intention tho. See for me the part about telling em to get on the floor or move to the back room is where I act. Not announce my intentions to act. "Announcing my intention takes away my tactical advantage of surprise."

In a situation where bad guy comes in and says gimmie the money to clerk at convienence store or waiter/waitress at Waffle House my intention is to sneakily draw my handgun and watch. Maybe even move to clear my shot IF possible. IF it smells like he is going to shoot I have to clear my shot before I can shoot. I'll cross the bridge of missing or the bad guy shooting and someone else getting hurt after I try my best to make sure no one gets hurt. Hopefully the wife and or son is on the same page at the same time and one of us gets the bad guy before anyone gets hurt and we don't miss. I do not think I could live with myself if I sat there and someone got hurt BEFORE I acted IF I felt like I could have acted and prevented it.

Of course I have no real clue how I will act.. I may well cower in the floor in a puddle. BUT I carry because I believe I might be able to act and prevent anyone from getting hurt.

Jocko I totally agree that I do not carry to protect those who are not my family or those not willing to defend themselves. Still I feel like it is my moral duty to protect who I can when I can, LIFE not PROPERTY.

[jocko]

no argument from me, just toto many scenario's and IMO I doubt unless one is trained in shooting opeople alot where it is a normal as scratching ones ass, then no one is ever going to now how they will act or react.

I in my little mind who was armed robbed in my business years ago, I have no clue what went through my mind when the "scenario" actualy went down. It happens fast,ur totally unprepared and had the two guys inteded to klll me I would have been dead,no ifs ands or butts about it. I certainly did not provoke once they pointed weapons at me. the John Wayne, Lone Ranger,HopalongCassidy,
gene Audtry, Dirty harry endings never entered my mind. but I can tell you this much all these years later I can recall every second...

Train alot, get good close, and then pray to God u never have to be involved in any of the scenarios we read and talk about:israel: