New Mexico drops and then re-adds FL and others from CCW Reciprocity

[DKD]

Sorry for the mispellings, got carried away and been hanging around brother JOCKO to long.

[TucsonMTB]

I'm not a fan of mandatory anything, but after reading about some of the knotheads that visit our local ranges, I'm thinking it may be a good idea to at least test knowledge of basic laws and gun safety. Does any state issue drivers licenses without even a simple proficiency check?

I said before, my concern for national carry license is they would revert to the highest state's requirements, including max rounds, strict concealment, etc. But what's a state to do that has restrictions for it's citizens, allow a visitor to disregard them? I cannot even buy a PM45 in CA because it's not on the list.

Perhaps they could just post a sign, like they do in gun free zones to keep the criminals from carrying their weapons there? What do you think? Would that work?

[jg rider]

Well, I'll grant you it doesn't make a whole bunch of sense since you only have to demonstrate that you can shoot the thing when applying to carry concealed. Any yahoo with $400 can walk into sportman's warehouse,buy a pistol, and is fully within his legal right to strap it on and carry it openly throughout the state. No permit of any sort required.

Open carry also happens here, but with a twist.
In certain cities you have to have a CHL. If stopped you need to show your C.H.L. (concealed handgun license). Or you can open carry an unloaded handgun all you want there.
In other cities you don't need a CHL to open carry, and if stopped because of a concern you don't have to supply any information like name, address, not anything. So nobody knows if they can legally have a gun.
Also in both above scenarios a non resident of the state can walk around open carrying as long as it's unloaded.

I'm sure you all know of the nation wide open carry forum. I get a kick going there to read and watch some of the videos from my state. Like the guy that goes into a police station and announces that he's legally open carrying, with his cousin who's recording the event. Police playing dumb, held the guy for hours asking questions, leaving him locked up lone. After 4 dead cam corder batteries later they let him go. But hey! He got er done.

I think for open carry they should also have to have a CHL and show proficiency.

[wyntrout]

There's the rub... showing proficiency to whose standard? The Liberal, Anti-gunners would help with drafting the "standards" I'm sure. Then you would have to take a 100-hour course, pass a psychological examination, need the permission of your doctor, employer, and the local chief of police... for starters. Then we'll talk about the "weapon" they'll let you carry, how and when, to include locked, unloaded, and the narrow conditions under which you might be allowed to carry ammunition as well, etc.

Yeah, that won't be too burdensome for your "freedom".

Wynn

[Tinman507]

Who's going to be the arbiter of "proficiency"?

[wyntrout]

Greasing up the "slippery slope"!



Wynn

[jg rider]

Are there any here that had to show proficiency wih a handgun before getting their license. Like loading, unloading, safe handling, hitting a target at 10 yds.

I'm also interested in different state restrictions. Like here we can carry concealed into state L.E. locations if not posted, in public schools, bars, airports (according to state legislators)( I'm not testing that one). I think the only place we can't carry is in a court house and federal buildings.

[lowroad]

Uhm, yeah. I think it has something to do with The Constitution. Maybe amendment number two?!

It's a good thing . . . trust me.

Well, of course it's a good thing. My point is that it makes no sense that I can buy and carry a .50 cal on my hip with no regulations, but when I choose to put a jacket over it, I suddenly have to demonstrate some competence. All or nothing, says I.

[Bawanna]

Are there any here that had to show proficiency wih a handgun before getting their license. Like loading, unloading, safe handling, hitting a target at 10 yds.

I'm also interested in different state restrictions. Like here we can carry concealed into state L.E. locations if not posted, in public schools, bars, airports (according to state legislators)( I'm not testing that one). I think the only place we can't carry is in a court house and federal buildings.

In Washington you can't carry in a public school or bar, you can carry into an airport up to but not including the terminal where the TSA / Walmart Greeters are, and you can carry in a L.E. location if not posted.

I know our County Sheriffs office has their own TSA at the entrance so that's a no no. They will take you gun and give it back when you leave. I didn't realize this and was parked a long ways away, they saved me a trip by holding it for me.
There is no proficiency test of any kind in Washington.

[TucsonMTB]

Well, of course it's a good thing. My point is that it makes no sense that I can buy and carry a .50 cal on my hip with no regulations, but when I choose to put a jacket over it, I suddenly have to demonstrate some competence. All or nothing, says I.

We are probably spoiled by our laws here in Arizona. No permit is required for most concealed or open carry, if you stay out of bars, which I generally do.

[lowroad]

We're close to being as cool as AZ, but not quite The first time I went to visit my uncle in Sierra Vista, we were in Tuscon at some diner near nowhere. I looked over and saw a biker type leaned over the counter with a .45 sticking out of his belt line. I don't mean suburb guy that owns a harley, I mean BIKER. Sandblasted face, dusty, probably always dusty, I mean real outlaw biker. Being a New Yorker, I whispered "Uncle Peter...that guy has a gun!". I will never forget how he looked at me and said "AND...? Son, this ain't New York, eat your eggs".

I made the decision to someday move to the southwest then and there.

[ptoemmes]

I first got my CCP in Florida maybe 15 years ago. Took a course (classroom general stuff and laws) and range time (general firearm familiarity and "proficiency" with your weapon). Group project to fill out the paperwork and submit. I've renewed once (another 10 years), but just a new pic, proof of residency, notary stuff.

I do not know if you now must take a course in Florida, but I do know the gun shows always put on those four hour special get your CCP courses.

I am certain in Florida you can carry onto airport property but not in the terminal. On the other hand you cannot legally carry onto port (Port Everglades or Port of Miami) property at all.

Pete

[TucsonMTB]

We're close to being as cool as AZ, but not quite The first time I went to visit my uncle in Sierra Vista, we were in Tuscon at some diner near nowhere. I looked over and saw a biker type leaned over the counter with a .45 sticking out of his belt line. I don't mean suburb guy that owns a harley, I mean BIKER. Sandblasted face, dusty, probably always dusty, I mean real outlaw biker. Being a New Yorker, I whispered "Uncle Peter...that guy has a gun!". I will never forget how he looked at me and said "AND...? Son, this ain't New York, eat your eggs".

I made the decision to someday move to the southwest then and there.

Priceless!

[wyntrout]

I got my permit in 1997 here in Jacksonville after taking a two-hour class($35 and no gun-handling or shooting) at a local gun show where they even had a Sheriff's Department person taking your fingerprints for a $7 fee. I didn't "need" the class but it was a one-stop for everything and gave me a little insight into concealed carry. The first license was $117 for three years. The next two were for 3 and 5 years and the last time I renewed it was for 7 years. That's when Nevada dropped reciprocity with Florida a few years ago.

I served in the Air Force... enlisted and officer... and had all kinds of training... short of actual combat-type training, with recurring qualification with various sidearms from the S&W .38 specials, M-1 carbine, and the Remington 870 12-ga shotgun, as did my wife. She probably got to shoot the M-16 in Basic, though. Those were new and I got to clean a few but never officially shot any while in the service... and I did carry an M-16 at Da Nang AB during the First Tet Offensive (end of January 1968) as a newly-promoted SSGT and project NCO of our TDY Detachment to Da Nang. As an NCO aircrew member, I was also wearing an S&W Model 15 .38 special and I had 7 mags for the M-16 with me. Our Project Officer, a 1st LT, signed for and brought me the M-16 on the eve of Tet since our MASH-type tent was on the inner of two chainlink fences on the southeast perimeter of the base, AND Army S-2 (or whatever) was predicting an attack that night, though there was a "Truce". Most of the USAF personnel on the base weren't armed, though I heard rumors of conexs loaded with weapons were around somewhere. So I felt kind of "privileged" that I had not only one, but two weapons. Most USAF personnel never touched a weapon again after basic training... unless their job required the use of weapons. And most never used a pistol, so the Honorable Discharge proof required... DD214, doesn't mean you know anything about pistols in particular, but the DD214 can be used as proof that you've had honorable military service and training with some kind of weapon, instead of taking the required class. This is the route we'll take with my wife's application. Now we can call the Agricultural Department that handles licensing and get an appointment and bring the required documentation. They will fingerprint and photograph her at the appointment and no notary is needed for the application. There she can pay the fee and they will submit the application. We can renew that way, too, now.

Wynn

[AIRret]

In Michigan we have to take a book learning class and then qualify at the range. We have to shoot 30 rounds consecutively in a silhouette target. If you miss it once you have to start over the 30 count over.