Should a teacher have a right to Conceal carry?

[chrish]

I agree it'd be tough to have more than 1 or 2 armed individuals in a school for a number of reasons. but I'll maintain that 1 or 2 is all it'd take. One, deterrence factor. Two, if access were not possible, 1 would be plenty. The school involved this time had a system to prevent access, less having bullet-proof windows. Assuming the information we are getting is accurate (and that's a big if), had the school had bullet proof windows, this evil would have had to come thru the front door and be buzzed thru. Very likely it wouldn't have happened, or that at least some warning would have been possible. One point of entry is MUCH more possible to police.

If the govt is so freakin' scared of every tom, ****, and harry out there w/ a gun to the point that they have bullet proofed govt buildings all over the country, put up concrete barriers to help prevent bombings, etc. Then where is the same concern for the children now you pukes! How about abolish the useless dept of education and spend to put bullet-proof glass in all school windows, double-pane 'em, single point of access, concrete barriers, metal detector and an armed guard that looks like Chuck Norris in Expendables 2 standing at that one point of entry. Problem solved.

That still leave before/after school, to and from the buses, etc. Massive police presence in the general area for a short while in the AM and PM. Problem solved.

This is NOT a difficult problem to solve and it doesn't require disarming the entire country, making stupid laws, or even arming every teacher and administrator. A few changes is all it would take.

It's just easier to put blame on something you already want to eliminate. Guns.

[mr surveyor]

anyone that's legally licensed in their state to carry a weapon should be allowed to carry anywhere in that state a LEO can carry. PERIOD.

[muggsy]

I think we should train EX military guys/gals to be teachers and help protect kids, i know some say " i don't want guns in schools" but they need to do a reality check.....they walk their kids by police at ballgames, malls, parades, airports.....come on wouldn't you rather have a teacher armed and at the ready, trained to protect your child.
Some people need to get their heads out of the sand also called mamby-pambyland.
These guys need jobs and have the training to defend send them to school, learn them to teach, at the least they would be a deterent....

And some of them have PTSD. Be careful of what you wish for. There are always unintended consequences to every solution.

[gm412]

If trained then yes

[Bawanna]

Around here most of our schools have multiple buildings on each campus. The High School is one building but numerous access points.
It doesn't matter to me as much now that my last graduated this last year but a single point access while inconvenient could and probably would create a TSA situation.
All our schools require that visitors sign in at the office, of course that's easily avoided and in my case they knew me and didn't care if I signed or not as I usually went in to say hi anyhow.

If they want to stick with the free fire no guns plan so only the security guy has a gun, then those like me who carried anyhow would probably be disarmed at the entrance point meaning that myself a potential assistant to the forces of good and right would be driving down the road someplace else and have to read about another attack after the fact.

[Ol'coot]

If the teacher is a law abiding citizen of the United States she should have every right to carry in school.

I do agree with muggsy in principle as I firmly believe that the constitution grants us all that right and that pistol free zones just invite the criminals to do what ever they want with little change of anyone fighting back.

With that said, I also strongly think anyone that plans to place themselves in a position where they may have to act to use deadly force on the behalf of someone else on a routine basis to defend someone that is defenseless because of their age, size or just their inability to defend themselves should at the very least be required to take some advanced training in handling a firearm and to learn the best methods that can be used in handling the type of situations that is likely to present itself is a must.

I know I feel very comfortable that I would be able to defend myself but I am not sure that my limited training has prepared me for the type of situation that may unfold at a elementary school.

My worst nightmare would be to harm the people I was trying to protect because of my lack of training and skills. This scenario has me thinking that strong training and tactics would be called for and that the choice of ammo such as frangible rounds would be required to keep over penetration to a minimum.

With all of that being said, If I was armed and unexpectedly caught in the middle of something like this going down , any action taken to stop the killing is probably better than no action.

[les strat]

There is a big difference in protecting your own self or your family, and defending a school full of children in a tactical situation. It is a liability. But not having any protection in schools is a bigger liability IMO.

[Armybrat]

Yes, but with additional training & screening.

[LorenzoB]

anyone that's legally licensed in their state to carry a weapon should be allowed to carry anywhere in that state a LEO can carry. PERIOD.

Yep. Wouldn't cost tax payers a cent. And then no criminal wouldn't know what situation they may be walking into. No more gun free zones would be a clear deterrent and would reduce the chance of this happening again (without costing taxpayers). Although I wouldn't be opposed to some subsidized training course to encourage teachers to carry.

[Geobob]

I think some teachers with CCW would be beneficial to supplement any other security personnel. Caveate is they must receive formal training beyond CCL requirements, to include appropriate action scenarios range practice. And give preference to former military and LE persons.

[kahr47]

How about fencing in the entire school grounds and having two BIG Dobermans patrol? When classes are between session or end of day,lock em up. Otherwise, let them roam.

I would think a bad guy would think a little more about coming near the front door knowing he would be facing a couple of snarling dogs trained to take him out. It might be more effective than a scared teacher holding a shaking gun, experiencing tunnel vision, sweaty palms, and wondering what the lawyers will do if they miss.

A big bag of dog food and a ****** scooper don't cost much. ( The ****** scooper is for the bad guy!! )

I know this isn't feasible, but what is this day and age? We in our 60's have to admit that we had childhoods in the very best of times but have slowly seen our society (thru Presidents, Congress, ACLU, etc ) put band aids on problems instead of solving them. I don't know the answer but it's nice to have forums and the freedom to discuss. Pray to God they don't take that away from us.

[RRP]

There is a seldom talked-about provision in the Gun-Free School Zones Act which does allow individuals to be in possession of a firearm in school. Essentially, if an individual is licensed to carry in the state, and if law enforcement in that state verifies that the individual is qualified to receive the license, then that individual can legally carry in schools.

[downtownv]

Front sight is offering FREE training to any school teacher!

[Bongo Boy]

It's not really a question of whether they should have the right...they DO have the right. It's a question only of whether our 47% chooses to allow passage of laws that penalize them for the exercise of that right.

What will we look like in 4 years? Hard to say. I saw a story on one of the major networks stations this morning, about 10 minutes long, telling us all about the 'concern' and the 'dangers' of Pyrex cookware, and the 'growing' problem. I believe it was a TOTAL of 140 incidents throughout the country in 2012 of Pyrex cookware breaking--sometimes after the user pulled it from the oven and placed it on a wet towel, or knowingly and admittedly ignored manufacturer's cautions.

In a society where the breakage of glass cookware--all 140 cases--is a national concern, it's little surprise 47% of our nation can't successfully wipe themselves without government intervention.

I firmly believe every adult in the country should at the very least be put through a 12 week boot camp--maybe we'd have more people able to make decisions, do a few things where what they want isn't the first concern, and be able to wipe themselves without permission, guidance or the authorities protecting them from harsh toilet tissue.

Everyone in this country is more than capable of stepping up to the plate and accomplishing extraordinary, selfless things--and many do, everyday. Unfortunately, only a very small percentage is apparently ever asked to do anything at all, and even fewer are expected to. Low expectations don't produce too many pleasant surprises.

[Planedude]

anyone that's legally licensed in their state to carry a weapon should be allowed to carry anywhere in that state a LEO can carry. PERIOD.

This is the proposal for Texas to be discussed in our next legislative session.
I agree with the others here who belive having only ONE guy-with-a-gun makes him a target or makes him easier to defeat (wait till he leaves to gas his car, go do paperwork ect...) than an unknown number of teachers, janitors and admin staff with a CHL.
Far from ideal (find the nut-jobs and treat them before they snap is better) but it is the soloution we as a nation can currently afford.
I cry for the young substitute teacher in the classroom with the most carnage in CT. She was not allowed to have the keys to lockdown her classroom and she never stood a chance. The two wounded teachers were shot because they had to step into the hallway with keys as the doors to classrooms only lock from the outside. with doors that open outward (fire issue) there is no way for the teacher to secure the door during lockdown without stepping out of the room. That's nuts. My 27yr old Daughter fills in as a sub and she was first to point this out to me. We have (and are working on), some mesure of security that she can use in such a situation, but basicly everything useful is "aginst policy" and subject to termanation.
If we are looking for a starting point for school saftey (in such cases), how about starting there. If all we give our teachers to save them and our children is "lockdown" how about some useful locks.