Colorado is at now...

[ltxi]

I have the answer to all these problems. Let's pass a law against murder - and, gosh I don't know - maybe enforce it. No matter how it's done. Somehow if it's with a gun it is horrifying. If it's with a tire iron, 2X4, crowbar, bomb or someone shoved off a roof it just gets passing attention. This is weird!! Sometimes I wish I were a liberal so I could understand things better.

I've only ever killed anyone with a gun. All that whacking, beating, and roof off throwing stuff just seems inhumane. Plus it's more work and I can't the sight of face mashed blood.

[chrish]

It was part a grass roots initiative to limit government taxing and spending power that passed in '92. The TABOR Amendment. It was initiated and passed as a constitutional amendment so the legislature couldn't tamper or amend without the people's popular vote. It's had negative issues in the recession and some governmental entities have modified bits of it....but only with consent of the people.

Yea, on the one hand I'm not knocking it, its better than the alternative I suppose. On the other hand, the place we have arrived across the nation that a governmental body had to consider that necessary in the first place is just staggering to me. I'm glad it's worked for you guys up until know, but you can bet in a heavily liberal area, the popular vote would run over top of everyone else. Popular vote will be the downfall of every locality, state, and ultimately, this country. We switched to popular vote for Senators, people are beginning to expect it for the President. Next it'll be the Supreme Court. Ugh.

Just wait until the Denver population exceeds the rest of the states' conservative population.

[chrish]

Property taxes are at the whim of government, they are a blight on society. You pay based on the 'value' of your house. And who determines the 'value', a tax assessment by the government. Genius if you ask me. And we just bend over and take it. Excellent.

Then they get to control the rate as well. Go figure.

In fact, many 'assessment' processes are based on how much money the government WANTS to spend in the first place. So they want to spend an extra 10 million over the next 5 years, they just divide that across the homes, calculate the percentage needed, raise the value of the homes, and everyone just assumes the value of their home has gone up. It isn't based on the market entirely, it's at least partially based on the financial needs of your local government. So they CHOOSE not to control spending and you get hit with the bill thru an non-market-driven increase in your home value.

lxti, if the market value of your home has gone up 40% in 20 years, then you've gotten a pretty fair shake there. with only a 2% increase in taxes per year, i'd have to say probably so. but otherwise, not so much.

[ltxi]

Yea, on the one hand I'm not knocking it, its better than the alternative I suppose. On the other hand, the place we have arrived across the nation that a governmental body had to consider that necessary in the first place is just staggering to me. I'm glad it's worked for you guys up until know, but you can bet in a heavily liberal area, the popular vote would run over top of everyone else. Popular vote will be the downfall of every locality, state, and ultimately, this country. We switched to popular vote for Senators, people are beginning to expect it for the President. Next it'll be the Supreme Court. Ugh.

Just wait until the Denver population exceeds the rest of the states' conservative population.

Last comment on the subject.....the government didn't consider it necessary. The people considered it necessary. If the people choose to overturn, well that then be their choice but at least here they have much control. Local town hall has the famous James Madison ...resides in the people.... quote in foot high letters next to the front door.

[chrish]

Last comment on the subject.....the government didn't consider it necessary. The people considered it necessary. If the people choose to overturn, well that then be their choice but at least here they have much control. Local town hall has the famous James Madison ...resides in the people.... quote in foot high letters next to the front door.

Well that's taking the quote out of context. Madison was pretty clear across the board regarding representative government and I would argue that in quoting 'resides thru the people', he didn't mean popular vote on legislation. He was fairly vocal about popular vote for elections and in fact didn't really like the idea of the EC. So he'd have probably backed direct election of Senators. But I believe he'd draw the line there. He also never tried to undo the EC thru an amendment. That speaks volumes as well. When you start getting into referendums, popular vote, you deviate from the model provided by the US Constitution. Of course, your state/locality is free to do what they want and the minority can pay the price I suppose.

I firmly believe in representative government elected by the people, with some checks and protection for the minority against the popular vote.

[Colocg]

My property taxes get adjusted every two years also. From $1660 in 1993 to about $2300 this year on a now street value maybe $375K to $400K home. Douglas county. Twenty years...I got no complaints.

The real problem causing CA escapees mostly arrived in the mid-late 90's to early 00's. Denver is an issue, I agree. Boulder is useful because of it's strong magnetic attraction for the seriously nut case liberals....better to have them mostly all in one place where they can internally freak out and throw old ladies into jail for dying their poodles pink then have them pollute my neighborhood.

I spent over three decades roaming this country and the world as an adult before settling here. Even lived in New Jersey and CA. So I ain't no innocent.

Well I wouldn't complain either, mine have increased that much in about the last 6 to 8 years even when the cost of houses declined drasticly. And the mill levy seems to go up every year. Thats on a house valued much less than yours. And you still can't throw a rock around here without hitting a liberal.

[KKing]

Colorado is at now...

And you can still throw rocks around here to hit liberals.

I tried to turn a negative into a positive lol. Glass half full, ya know?

[Colocg]

Good job.

[AJBert]

As much as I'd love to move back to CO, WY is looking better and better:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/us...rado.html?_r=0

If this passes, I WILL contact the various politicos and let them know WHY I chose not to move back to my home state. I'm sure that will have zero effect on any of them, though.

[OldLincoln]

They'll be happy you didn't move back. They only want sheep that just nod their heads and open their wallets.

[OldLincoln]

I can't move but I like Provo UT at first glance. Weather looks okay, said to be the most conservative city over 100K in the USA. It's a shall issue state that honors all other states carry permits, crime rate relatively low. Cost of living average. Not bad from the internet perspective.

[Cokeman]

It's full of hot women too. I'm never moving.

[ltxi]

Well I wouldn't complain either, mine have increased that much in about the last 6 to 8 years even when the cost of houses declined drasticly. And the mill levy seems to go up every year. Thats on a house valued much less than yours. And you still can't throw a rock around here without hitting a liberal.

My taxes went down a bit after the 2010(?) based revaluation. Now back to about where they were or a little above. Except....senior homestead this year brought the cost down to $1478. Parker. Where you be at?

[ltxi]

It's full of hot women too. I'm never moving.

I have a wife app for that. So, with the important out of the way......

[Tinman507]