Is the "Nat'l Reciprocity Act" (HR 822) simply (back-door) "Gun Registration?"

[Tyme49]

Is the "National Reciprocity Act" actually nothing more than a way for the Feds to (slowly) implement National Gun Registration?

As a retired I.T. mgr., I know that, once you're in a database, your information can be readily 'mined' and distributed, ad infinitum!

Please take a moment to participate in my poll!

[Barth]

I don't trust anything on a national level.
All rights should be held by individual states unless there is no other option.

Florida already has reciprocity with a large number of states.
National Reciprocity is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama (1,3,5)
Alaska (1)
Arizona (6)
Arkansas (1)
Colorado (1,4)
Delaware
Georgia (1)
Idaho (3,6)
Indiana (1,3,6)
Iowa (6)
Kansas (1)
Kentucky
Louisiana (1)
Michigan (1,4)
Mississippi (1)
Missouri
Montana (3)
Nebraska (1)
New Hampshire (1,3,4,6)
New Mexico (1)
North Carolina (1)
North Dakota (3,6)
Ohio (1)
Oklahoma (1)
Pennsylvania (1,4,6)
South Carolina (1,4,6)
South Dakota (1,3)
Tennessee (1,6)
Texas (1,3,6)
Utah (1,6)
Vermont (2)
Virginia (1,6)
West Virginia (1)
Wyoming (1,3)

[Bawanna]

Wow, can't visit Washington? Oh well, no great loss there anyhow.

At least you can visit Montana, and Wyoming. Tennessee and Missouri.

About the only places I'd care to visit anyhow. Not sure I can with a WA permit but don't really matter to me anyhow.

I'm a professional rule bender with the ability to completely ignore stupid rules.

[wyntrout]

Washington's Attorney General dropped Florida when our state decided that returning combat veterans under the age of 21 SHOULD be trusted to obtain CWP's! Most of those vets were probably 20, anyhow, or medically retired with combat injuries!

It's not funny how our military can be called upon to defend our country and its foreign policies with their very lives, but are denied the basic right of self defense when returning to our shores.

As best I can tell, this part of the law "790.06(2)(b) Is 21 years of age or older;"

Is exempted by

"
The 2012 Florida Statutes



Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS View Entire Chapter 790.062 Members and veterans of United States Armed Forces; exceptions from licensure provisions.—(1) Notwithstanding s. 790.06(2)(b), the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm under s. 790.06 if the applicant is otherwise qualified and a) Is a servicemember, as defined in s. 250.01; or
(b) Is a veteran of the United States Armed Forces who was discharged under honorable conditions.

(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall accept fingerprints of an applicant under this section administered by any law enforcement agency, military provost, or other military unit charged with law enforcement duties or as otherwise provided for in s. 790.06(5)(c).
History.—s. 1, ch. 2012-108."





Wynn

[Bawanna]

I'd forgotten about that. While I think it's a fine gesture for Florida to make that gesture it's sad that enacting it has a negative impact nationally.

I have nothing but respect for veterans and active military but I would not have agreed to lowering the age. As you say most are at least 19 or 20 and not far away from the legal age. They still have legal access to rifles and shotguns, probably the tools they are most accustomed to anyhow.

To link this back to the original subject, I think rather than National reciprocity we'd be better to have a set of uniform guidelines. Any states that agree to the preset guidelines honor all other states that also agree.
Essentially the way it is now, except make it more reasonable.

The downfall is they would most likely incorporate the toughest states guidelines as the general guideline requiring instruction by some sort of recognized expert who is an expert cause he agrees to share profits with the state, quals on a regular basis at a fee of course. Etc Etc.

The whole idea of CPL's kind of rubs me the wrong way anyhow. I don't need a card to exercise the rights our forefathers guaranteed me. I'm fine with background checks and taking a fee for that, but no mall ninja training, and no quals or competency test. If I shoot myself in the foot, it's my bad.

[JohnR]

I believe HR822 has good intentions but like all unconstitutional laws, the unintended consequences will be anything from overregulation to back door registration.

[Jeremiah/Az]

I don't want the feds involved in state matters. I'm in Az. & we have gun laws just right!

[muggsy]

I support National reciprocity and so does the NRA. Here is what they have to say about the bill.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=189&issue=003

[mr surveyor]

I do NOT support national reciprocity if the fed has anything to do with it. Texas has a pretty good system now, and more favorable changes in the works. A "national system" of any kind will no doubt take us in reverse by watering us down to some idiotic national "standard".

If y'all in the other 49 states (56 states by the count of "thu wun") want to come up with something you can all agree on as a national standard, then have at it.... I'll continue to stay home in my little nation state. I want absolutely NO more federal intrusion on my rights.

surv

[chrish]

Voted 'probably' because I agree w/ JohnR.

While it _might_ be well intentioned by the rinos and some of the middle of the road crowd on both sides of the aisle (including pro-gun dems), it will end up hurting rather than helping because in order to get everybody on board, they will have to heavily regulate the processing of issuing permits to make everybody happy that those w/ permits are adequately trained. Which means some federal government bureaucrat gets to decide yet again what I need to do with my time and money.

No thanks!

While I personally think training is a good idea, it is not Constitutional and it 'infringement'. Nothing they do in this regard will be good or helpful. Yes, there are states that I cannot (and will not) visit as a result...too bad, always wanted to see Yosemite...but not gonna happen in my lifetime I suspect.

The only 'national reciprocity' for concealed carry that I support is 'constitutional carry'. Repeal all gun regulation and let me carry open or concealed everywhere I go in all 50 states and US protectorates. Period.

[muggsy]

National reciprocity simply means that if you have the right to carry in your home state then you are allowed to carry in any state that allows concealed carry. It's the same as honoring the drivers license of another state. I believe that I have a right to carry concealed in any state without a permit as per the second amendment. We should be working toward eliminating the concealed carry permit requirement in all states as infringement upon our constitutional rights.

[tv_racin_fan]

National reciprocity simply means that if you have the right to carry in your home state then you are allowed to carry in any state that allows concealed carry. It's the same as honoring the drivers license of another state. I believe that I have a right to carry concealed in any state without a permit as per the second amendment. We should be working toward eliminating the concealed carry permit requirement in all states as infringement upon our constitutional rights.

As you may recall the driving standards and regulations were standardized in order to get the driving licenses recognized nation wide. I happen to believe that gun carry licenses will likewise have to be standardized in order for "Congress" to approve. Therefore I am not interested unless the standard will become the Constitutional Carry standard whereby I am not forced to ask permission of my or in fact any state in order to exercize MY right to keep and bear.

[chrish]

Also, driving is not a right. Gun ownership and bearing IS.

DLs are not honored based on federal legislation either, they are honored based on a national standard developed between the states via an independent organization.

I don't want the federal government involved in this. The Constitution and the 2A says they have to stay out of it. Many do not believe that. They are WRONG. That includes the SCOTUS and federal judges.

[muggsy]

Also, driving is not a right. Gun ownership and bearing IS.

DLs are not honored based on federal legislation either, they are honored based on a national standard developed between the states via an independent organization.

I don't want the federal government involved in this. The Constitution and the 2A says they have to stay out of it. Many do not believe that. They are WRONG. That includes the SCOTUS and federal judges.

The federal government includes the Supreme Court. I'd bet you'd be the first to scream for the Supreme Court to intervene if your State denied you your right to keep and bear arms. The 2A is a constitutional right.

[chrish]

The federal government includes the Supreme Court. I'd bet you'd be the first to scream for the Supreme Court to intervene if your State denied you your right to keep and bear arms. The 2A is a constitutional right.

Obviously the SCOTUS is part of the federal government. You missed my point. It's the SCOTUS job to tell the other two dip wad branches to stay out of my business when they get in my business. The 2A is not GRANTED by the Constitution, it is RECOGNIZED by the Constitution that we have it REGARDLESS of the Constitution. And I have been screaming for the SCOTUS to get their 9 collective heads out of there butts and rule that the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the States do not have Constitutional authority to muck w/ the 2A and regulate the crap out of it. All because the SCOTUS says I cannot have a sawed off shotgun doesn't mean they got it right.

Keep pushing for national reciprocity driven by the federal government and you'll get your wish.

If the States want to get together and come up w/ a plan to recognize each other's permits, fine. But the permits in and of themselves are unconstitutional to begin with. Period.

If the SCOTUS does anything here, and this is a pipe dream, they need to undo the damage they have already done and then turn around and vacate every gun law out there at every level of federal, state, and local government.