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  • #16
    Vote in 2010 for real change, lets clean out every *&^%$ in office and start over!
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    • #17
      Personally, I think this is ridiculous and while I support the NRA and I'm an active member, sometimes we, the people, need to make some decisions for ourselves and read between the lines. First, the article never mentions Hillary Rodham Clinton. Secondly, there is nothing really happening, just some talk...so what. The article also states the following:

      The current issue under discussion, the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), is in the early stages of the negotiation process. There is no actual draft text at this time. Work on the ATT is scheduled to continue by a consensus process between now and 2012. It should be noted that any treaty must be approved by two thirds of the U.S. Senate for ratification.

      This actually says nothing and since when is the NRA "engaged" at the United Nations, as they so clearly state in the article.

      So, to that end, I would not be surprised if there are discussions about Arms at the UN, but let's be real...the Senate is not going to approve a treaty of the ATT and even if they did, with whom would the treaty be in place with, what countries?

      Most of us believe the UN is not worth it's weight in salt...so what makes anyone think that any country is going to sign on to this supposed treaty just because there is some talk?
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      • #18
        yep...
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        • #19
          the technology certainly exists to falsify the count.

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          • #20
            Our government needs to change??? Uh, that's what our glorious (in his eyes) "great leader" is trying to do with all of his Mao spouting buddies... or cohorts. You won't see their "slips(?)" anywhere but on Fox News... and on Glenn Beck's show. How do you all feel about his closest counsels saying they are inspired by Mao and other misunderstood mass-murdering despots... talking about government from the barrel of a gun... or using the persuasion of force, if the force of persuasion doesn't work -- certainly not reported by his ever-supportive "mainstream media".
            Wynn
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            Thomas Jefferson said

            “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
            and

            "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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            • #21
              1. End the Fed
              2. Legalize the Constitution
              3. Restore the Republic

              Most of the types of folks who are visiting this forum understand things are bad, but I don't believe that even most of us realize how bad it is. I've worked in government and in the media and I've seen first hand how corrupt those they are. I personally believe things are going to get much worse (including our economic condition). They key is getting the info out.

              I'm curious if any of you have any favorite political videos, speeches or quotes you'd like to share; here a some of my favorite vids:

              "Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy"
              YouTube - US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy

              "Peter Schiff Was Right" (Predicted the crash years in advance)
              YouTube - Peter Schiff was right (new) - 2002 to 2009 with exact dates.

              Glenn Beck just did a great piece following the SOTU address. You may not like him, but this is really well put together:

              Part 1:
              YouTube - Beck 1-28-10 SOTU-1

              Part 2:
              YouTube - Beck 1-28-10 SOTU-2

              Part 3:
              YouTube - Beck 1-28-10 SOTU-3

              Part 4:
              YouTube - Beck 1-28-10 SOTU-4

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              • #22
                Here's an article that lays the blame for our present financial debacle right at the root of the problem...AND ACCURATELY predicts what has come to pass... in the New York Times... during Clinton's reign... unbelievably prescient article... published September 30,1999!!!
                I accidentally ran across this when I was trying to watch a recorded episode of John Stossel's Show "Stossel" on Fox Business Channel. What I got was an episode of the Dave Ramsey Show and this was one of the first things he brought up. Check this out! See how this mess really started:
                Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
                Wynn
                USAF Retired '88, NRA Life Member. Wife USAF Retired '96
                Avatar: Wynn re-enlists his wife Desiree, circa 1988 Loring AFB, ME. 42nd BMW, Heavy (SAC) B-52G's
                Frédéric Bastiat’s essay, The Law: http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

                Thomas Jefferson said

                “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
                and

                "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wyntrout View Post
                  Here's an article that lays the blame for our present financial debacle right at the root of the problem...AND ACCURATELY predicts what has come to pass... in the New York Times... during Clinton's reign... unbelievably prescient article... September 30,1999!!!
                  I accidentally ran across this when I was trying to watch a recorded episode of John Stossel's Show "Stossel" on Fox Business Channel. What I got was an episode of the Dave Ramsey Show and this was one of the first things he brought up. Check this out! See how this mess really started:
                  Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com
                  Wynn
                  I'm a fan of Ramsey and Stossel as well; they're good guys who "get it."

                  It's a good article and I agree that Fannie is a culprit. I would add that Fannie wouldn't even HAVE the money to lend out if it weren't for the Fed creating that money (out of thin air / "printing" it) and lending it to Fannie. IMO, Fannie is a culprit, but the fed is the culprit.

                  The fed chooses who to lend printed money to (instead of letting individuals in the market make those decisions), which leads to malinvestment and bubbles in certain sectors of the economy. If they loan disproportionately to the housing sector, you'll likely see a housing boom and bust cycle at some point; just as in any other sector that they lend to disproportionately. The cycle is always the same; prices gradually increase (such as radical and unrealistic increases in home value), quality typically decreases after a certain point, and then the system becomes unmanageable and a "bust" occurs as all the phony wealth evaporates. Health care, housing and education are some of the most obvious examples.

                  Goods and services are best provided in a free marketplace (as free as possible). Imagine if the government had determined to develop and distribute cell phones to the general population back in the 80's! The free market has provided phones with ever improving technology, lowering costs drastically (even in spite of inflation) and providing exponentially improved availability and service.

                  Look at health care; in areas where government and insurance are (for the most part) completely uninvolved, such as refractive eye surgery (lasik) and cosmetic surgery, quality has improved drastically and prices have fallen in spite of inflation. In the sectors of health care where government is involved, and where they spend fifty cents of every health care dollar, prices are rising drastically while quality and availability decrease.

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                  • #24
                    Yep. The government doesn't have to worry about profits, but like Margaret Thatcher said "The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money". Unfortunately, Obama and his cronies want to destroy capitalism that has allowed our country to prosper by creating wealth and jobs for the people who make consumer goods. Then what! It's a perfect example of killing the "golden goose" to get all of the golden eggs now. When they've destroyed capitalism and gotten rid of the evil rich, where will jobs and consumer goods come without entrepreneurs and venture capital?? The government doesn't produce anything except more government, which is the big reason that the writers of the U.S. Constitution wrote the document to LIMIT the power of government and keep it from becoming what it has -- all consuming and growing exponentially until all resources are consumed and the state controls everything and decides who's making enough contributions to the collective and who is worthy of any of the collective's resources like housing, food, etc. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, North Korea's Great Leaders, and lesser other despots all got to power the way our our Great Teleprompter Reader and his Marxist cronies are striving... with the help of "useful idiots."
                    This won't happen overnight, but Obama is trying to seize control of every aspect of our life and wants to rewrite the inconvenient U.S. Constitution and insure they get complete control of our country. He just announced the cut of funding to NASA and much of the space program. You can bet Russia and China won't stop their progress towards space. They won't be so benevolent as we were when they hold the real "high" ground. Do you doubt that they would claim the Moon and other prizes for themselves, not all mankind as we did?
                    Wow! I can sure get diarrhea of the mouth or keyboard!
                    I'll get off the soapbox for a while.
                    Wynn
                    USAF Retired '88, NRA Life Member. Wife USAF Retired '96
                    Avatar: Wynn re-enlists his wife Desiree, circa 1988 Loring AFB, ME. 42nd BMW, Heavy (SAC) B-52G's
                    Frédéric Bastiat’s essay, The Law: http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

                    Thomas Jefferson said

                    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
                    and

                    "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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